Why I dislike both the Democrats and the Republicans.

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27 Jan 2017, 1:56 pm

Neither of the major parties have a real solution for the real problems facing the USA, which is the death of the middle class and the detachment of the top 1% from everybody who is living in poverty in my country.

The Democrats pretend to care about these issues, unless it involves white men who cannot feed their families in the trailer parks they cannot get out of because there are not enough jobs going around. All the Democrats have to say to them is, "We do not care about you, because you have white privilege shooting out of your as*hole, you hillbilly motherf***ers." And then they act surprised when these people get offended by that hateful sentiment. Poverty is a very real issue that the Democrats really do not want to face, especially considering that their mouthpieces are suburban housewives living comfortably with their nice cars, their nice homes and their cable television. These mouthpieces cannot grasp the concept that white privilege does not amount for s**t when there are not enough jobs to go around and they cannot feed their kids Top Ramen because it is outside of their budget.

Then enters the Republicans. The conservatives. The fundamentalist Christians. They are not nearly as tone deaf as the Democrats. And that is exactly what makes them so dangerous. White nationalism is on the rise because while the Democrats are telling these guys in extreme poverty that they do not matter, the Republicans are actively grooming them into a sense of belonging. The Republicans are providing them the illusion that they have a way out of their poverty, if they hate who the rich people want them to hate, if they take on the White Power role unashamedly, if they unite against the enemy which consists of all other races, sexual orientations and religions, then they have a home, an identity, a lack of disenfranchisement and a place to belong. What the Republican party is not offering them is financial security, health care and jobs, but the Democrats are not offering that to them either, so what the f**k do they have to lose by selling their souls to that lot?

The reality is that "white trash" has become a punchline in modern Democratic society. And the predatory Republicans are playing that angle fully to their advantage, exactly in the same way that chickenhawks groom young boys into being their f**k buddies. When the progressives treat people who are living in extreme poverty as if they were hillbillies who deserve the lousy hand they were dealt, of course they are going to look for a sense of belonging wherever they can find one, and of course that sense of belonging will involve demonizing the very people who prejudicially treat them as demons.

And this division between the tone-deaf progressive leadership and the predatory white nationalist leadership has resulted in Donald Trump.

And nothing is being done about the fact that there are not enough jobs to go around because both parties are playing their audiences against each other to distract from the fact that the politicians and the corporations are getting richer while those living in poverty are not having their very real issues being taken care of.

Both political parties revolve around fascism, IMO. And until people on both sides realize that the American public is being played for fools by those in power under the guide of divisive racial and populist issues, nothing about that is going to change. They keep us divided because it is easier to have us fighting each other than it is for them to actually do something about the vast class inequality that just keeps getting worse in the USA.

Just my opinion, take it or leave it.



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27 Jan 2017, 2:28 pm

You can't expect those in power to admit that they don't have practical answers to the serious issues facing this nation.



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27 Jan 2017, 2:32 pm

BTDT wrote:
You can't expect those in power to admit that they don't have practical answers to the serious issues facing this nation.


The problem is not that they don't have practical answers. The problem is that they don't want practical answers to class inequality because both of the parties are benefiting from the current situation while more Americans are slipping into desperate poverty.

That is why both sides are pitting their audiences against each other on a daily basis. It is a diversionary tactic that works wonders for their pocketbooks.



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27 Jan 2017, 2:40 pm

I wouldn't really call the democratic party progressive...if they wanted to be progressive or at least try and represent progressives they wouldn't have worked against Bernie Sanders in favor of Hillary Clinton.


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27 Jan 2017, 2:42 pm

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I wouldn't really call the democratic party progressive...if they wanted to be progressive or at least try and represent progressives they wouldn't have worked against Bernie Sanders in favor of Hillary Clinton.


You do have a valid point.

Bernie would have never made a divisionist statement like "basket of deplorables".



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27 Jan 2017, 2:45 pm

Both major American political parties (and too many parties in other nations) define themselves in the negative, such as: Democrats are not Republicans and Republicans are not Democrats. This allows the parties to leave what they really, truly, believe in to that vast vague area that never gets defined well and accurately. As such, I would never vote for a party which can't bring itself to say what it means and means what it says.


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27 Jan 2017, 3:06 pm

I don't think either party has a practical answer to good paying middle class jobs being replaced by advances in technology and automation. Especially when it comes workers who were good at what they did, but lack the skills to learn new technology, like how to use a computer to send a memo via email.

A similar situation occurred when movies went from silent to talkies. Actors who had heavy accents found themselves unemployable.

This is the reason for the shrinking middle class. Bringing back factories isn't going to help much if the new factory is heavily automated so that only a few workers are needed. The way things are going, you won't even need humans to deliver the raw goods or take away the finished products. The typical factory worker can't be retrained into someone who can diagnose and fix complex technologies.



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27 Jan 2017, 3:45 pm

BTDT wrote:
I don't think either party has a practical answer to good paying middle class jobs being replaced by advances in technology and automation. Especially when it comes workers who were good at what they did, but lack the skills to learn new technology, like how to use a computer to send a memo via email.

A similar situation occurred when movies went from silent to talkies. Actors who had heavy accents found themselves unemployable.

This is the reason for the shrinking middle class. Bringing back factories isn't going to help much if the new factory is heavily automated so that only a few workers are needed. The way things are going, you won't even need humans to deliver the raw goods or take away the finished products.


Perhaps that is true.

But try telling that to an impoverished population when all they see is that their manufacturing jobs have been moved to slave labor sweatshops in third world Asia by the corporations who have both major political parties in their pockets.



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30 Jan 2017, 7:37 pm

http://money.cnn.com/2017/01/30/news/ec ... index.html
Here is an article that just came out today claiming that the real issue is automation.



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31 Jan 2017, 9:53 pm

I think both liberals and conservatives are getting crazier each day, horseshoe theory.



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31 Jan 2017, 10:21 pm

The issues originate from the combination of the general populations' lack of control over their negative emotions (due to being unable to remain calm when confronted with contrary beliefs), the existence of taxes and interest-rates (i.e. : usury), and a system of competitive divisiveness rather than mutually beneficial co-operative-ness.

One effective solution is to abolish all of those ridiculous extortionist-legislations that punish people.


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01 Feb 2017, 7:30 am

Ban-Dodger wrote:
The issues originate from the combination of the general populations' lack of control over their negative emotions (due to being unable to remain calm when confronted with contrary beliefs), the existence of taxes and interest-rates (i.e. : usury), and a system of competitive divisiveness rather than mutually beneficial co-operative-ness.

One effective solution is to abolish all of those ridiculous extortionist-legislations that punish people.

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03 Feb 2017, 11:46 am

Sweetleaf wrote:
I wouldn't really call the democratic party progressive...if they wanted to be progressive or at least try and represent progressives they wouldn't have worked against Bernie Sanders in favor of Hillary Clinton.

You misunderstand. Progressivism is a lie. It's about controlling people's lives not making their lives better. Hilary Clinton was the progressive poster girl.



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03 Feb 2017, 2:26 pm

BTDT wrote:
I don't think either party has a practical answer to good paying middle class jobs being replaced by advances in technology and automation. Especially when it comes workers who were good at what they did, but lack the skills to learn new technology, like how to use a computer to send a memo via email.

A similar situation occurred when movies went from silent to talkies. Actors who had heavy accents found themselves unemployable.

This is the reason for the shrinking middle class. Bringing back factories isn't going to help much if the new factory is heavily automated so that only a few workers are needed. The way things are going, you won't even need humans to deliver the raw goods or take away the finished products. The typical factory worker can't be retrained into someone who can diagnose and fix complex technologies.


One idea of a potential solution to this I have heard is instating a universal basic income...I myself like the idea based on what I know of it. Also it would likely render a lot of government funded welfare unnecessary. I think universal basic income and sustainable living would be the best direction to go in. Too bad that is essentially the opposite direction that the current administration wants to go in....


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03 Feb 2017, 2:41 pm

sly279 wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
I wouldn't really call the democratic party progressive...if they wanted to be progressive or at least try and represent progressives they wouldn't have worked against Bernie Sanders in favor of Hillary Clinton.

You misunderstand. Progressivism is a lie. It's about controlling people's lives not making their lives better. Hilary Clinton was the progressive poster girl.

Progressive
1.
favoring or advocating progress, change, improvement, or reform, as opposed to wishing to maintain things as they are, especially in political matters:
a progressive mayor.
2.
making progress toward better conditions; employing or advocating more enlightened or liberal ideas, new or experimental methods, etc.:
a progressive community.
3.
characterized by such progress, or by continuous improvement.


I think you need to take a break from political stuff for a while, and just chill so you can refresh your perspectives. My whole point is in a lot of ways the democratic party and Hillary aren't progressive hence why many progressive liberals are disappointed with the democratic party and why it didn't get enough support to win out over Trump. I would say the democratic party is a bit more progressive than the republican party, but I wouldn't say the democratic party is the voice of progressives per say.


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03 Feb 2017, 3:03 pm

I could agree with progressives on many issues, but I think a fair amount of younger progressives are controlling.