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13 May 2007, 6:45 pm

Do you think it is possible that our universe including God can possibly excist inside of a computer program or nested inside of another entity like in the film The Matrics.

If so when god said let their be light and their was light, it all happen inside this computer program. In other words he( God) would have no way of knowing what excists outside the relality or universe that he as created. They might be Gods outside the reality that this god knows about.

As a Christian or Muslim.. do you except that God is the king of all excistance or that he has no way of knowing what is beyond the reality that he knows.



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13 May 2007, 8:43 pm

i think god is a space alien. i think there are other "races" of somekind of intelligent life out there, that i dont necissarly think "god" created. remember man wrote the bible, and had to term things in it with stuff that was familiar with him at the time. if you read the book of ezikiel, i believe it talks about him seeing a spacecraft. "wheels" and such.


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13 May 2007, 8:51 pm

Aspie_Chav wrote:
As a Christian or Muslim.. do you except that God is the king of all excistance or that he has no way of knowing what is beyond the reality that he knows.


I am agnostic, but from what I understand about Christianity, and what much less I know about Islam God would not conform to natural laws. He would not be like an omnipotent evolved creature you might see in a television or movie. Now, I have heard of theories, specifically from a Judaic thinker, who has speculated that God is not "all-powerful."



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13 May 2007, 9:23 pm

I could see the God of the system simply as the root console. The one who types at it would be the FSM himself. Depending on who has sudo access, those users could also be considered gods...

So, when God made light, he simply typed:

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root@universe ~ $ emerge light

Code:
root@universe ~ $ /etc/init.d/lightd start

Letting there be light...                                          [OK]

root@universe ~ $


If you're not familiar with Linux, none of this will make any sense to you...



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15 May 2007, 3:36 pm

sternn wrote:
I could see the God of the system simply as the root console. The one who types at it would be the FSM himself. Depending on who has sudo access, those users could also be considered gods...

So, when God made light, he simply typed:
Code:
root@universe ~ $ emerge light

Code:
root@universe ~ $ /etc/init.d/lightd start

Letting there be light...                                          [OK]

root@universe ~ $


If you're not familiar with Linux, none of this will make any sense to you...


umm.. I think the prompt would be a # actually.... :D :D :D

Apart from that... the notion of a god is rediculous anyway, who created the god????
Or if god is in the computer, then who created the computer..?



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15 May 2007, 3:40 pm

At the most, I take 'God' to be a metaphor for the human capacity and desire to do good.


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16 May 2007, 10:38 pm

the Creator cant be part of the creation,that would not make him the creator in the first place.


so hard to understand He trully is unique.


light is something he created,for this universe,but it wasnt like a material being in the middle of darkess literally saying "let there be light" and things started occuring...


think of it like this,imagine going back in time before everything happened and created,that, was triggered by something(someone because its too intelligent to be a non councious "thing")...plain science,for every action there is a cause,so that proves there is a God/creator/originator.



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17 May 2007, 2:24 am

eipsa wrote:
sternn wrote:
I could see the God of the system simply as the root console. The one who types at it would be the FSM himself. Depending on who has sudo access, those users could also be considered gods...

So, when God made light, he simply typed:
Code:
root@universe ~ $ emerge light

Code:
root@universe ~ $ /etc/init.d/lightd start

Letting there be light...                                          [OK]

root@universe ~ $


If you're not familiar with Linux, none of this will make any sense to you...


umm.. I think the prompt would be a # actually.... :D :D :D

Apart from that... the notion of a god is rediculous anyway, who created the god????
Or if god is in the computer, then who created the computer..?


That implementation of Linux might be running in a virtual machine in another operating system, which might be running in another. God himself doesn't know if he is in the root universe.



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17 May 2007, 2:46 am

http://www.wrongplanet.net/modules.php? ... eplication

Yeah my theory on evolution is that the end game is a massive computer near the physical point of the big bang(or close as possible aka a mostly hollow sphere surrounding it x miles away). The size and the calculations done by that computer in the end would be so massive it could simulate nearly everything. And if that is what happens at the end then its possible we are all ready at that end. We could be the last thoughts in that massive computer movements before the end of the universe.



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17 May 2007, 4:56 am

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the Creator cant be part of the creation,that would not make him the creator in the first place.


so hard to understand He trully is unique.


light is something he created,for this universe,but it wasnt like a material being in the middle of darkess literally saying "let there be light" and things started occuring...


think of it like this,imagine going back in time before everything happened and created,that, was triggered by something(someone because its too intelligent to be a non councious "thing")...plain science,for every action there is a cause,so that proves there is a God/creator/originator.




for every action there is a cause? so then that means there must be a cause for the existence of your supreme being.


quit writing garbage poetry. "he is yet isn't"....it's the kind of garbage that i hear from intellectually devoid stoners out here in los angeles. it makes me miss new orleans where i could actually smoke weed and have an intelligent conversation and actually have dialogue....not two people talking on two difference planes.



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17 May 2007, 4:57 am

ASPER wrote:
for every action there is a cause,so that proves there is a God/creator/originator.

That doesn't prove s**t, actually.



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17 May 2007, 4:58 am

Sopho wrote:
ASPER wrote:
for every action there is a cause,so that proves there is a God/creator/originator.

That doesn't prove sh**, actually.



see my statement above. :D



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17 May 2007, 5:01 am

LOL Religious people just don't make sense at all. :P



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17 May 2007, 5:09 am

Sopho wrote:
LOL Religious people just don't make sense at all. :P


As I'm sure us atheists don't make sense to them. We have to mutually respect one another though - I'm sure we can all agree on that. Let us keep emotions out of this..such discussion can descend very quickly.


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17 May 2007, 5:11 am

Sopho wrote:
LOL Religious people just don't make sense at all. :P


i can understand people who can't conceptualize beyond the point of the simple model of creator --> creation. it's all they know and are too simplistic to dare think outside of such a box. and there are others who lack any kind of moral bearing at all internally. i, myself, have a very strong moral bearing but there are many others who don't. those people do need some kind of deity to threaten them and do need people to remind them what is okay and what isn't. the sad thing is that religion is an archaic source of morals and today is more concerned with retaining power rather than being a guide. it's why there aren't women priests outside of certain sects of christianity and why most mainstream religions don't have female heads. society is hardly ready for a maternal guide..especially after so many centuries of dominance and brainwashing towards the patriarch and that model of leadership. i don't look on religion with an entire disdain...i look on the leadership with disdain because they refuse to move forward and actually strive towards a better future. they instead look to remain relevant towards the old writings. it's kinda like a band who only releases the same album over and over again because that's what the fanbase expects and wants. when fans say "this is the same as the last album? where's the progress??" the band says those people are just attacking the band and the fans gather up against those people. to some extent it is the ignorance of the people...but for a lot of people, they don't have the mental capacity to reason beyond the same album being released over and over again. it's why the status quo is the status quo...because people don't like being challenged and pushed.

so you end up with the followers who are stuck seeking their moral compass from a source that refuses to dare change the status quo for fear of losing their fan-base and losing their relevance in their search for a new sound.


i blame the religious leaders for not being bold enough to dare seek a way forward and i hold certain members of the various congregations responsible for encouraging the status quo over change despite having the capacity to know better (like punkers who are smart enough to like other music but too afraid to give up their own identity and cred as a punk to listen to something that's progressive).


but that's an entire oversimplification and kind of an aimless rant in some (many) ways.


edit: this rant brought to you by the trappist monastery of chimay, belgium. i hope they do good things with my money. including making more tasty beer.



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17 May 2007, 5:12 am

OK. I will try and respect the religious people.