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skafather84
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28 Apr 2007, 4:34 am

This is just a theory I heard (and I wholly welcome argument and disproving it) that the reason why we went into Iraq and are currently threatening Iran is oil. Not that the US needs it but rather it was being leveraged as a way to devalue the American Dollar. Iraq was seeking to begin major oil production and have their oil priced in Euros instead of Dollars. This would be a HUGE non-confidence vote in the American Dollar which is pretty much based on international credit rather than a gold standard. So in acting on this, Iraq was attacked, Saddam removed, and a friendly government put in that when the oil was eventually returned to a production level, it would be priced in Dollars. With Iran now, it appears that they are trying to get a nuclear program under way so as to free up more oil for export purposes and they would seek to do the same move of pricing in Euros and to protect our market, the US is trying to prevent Iran from getting this nuclear power program running. This forces Iran to consume their own oil for power and reduces how much oil they can put out on the market.


Of course, there are holes in this such as "Well if it simply took a repricing to hit the US so hard then what keeps Saudi Arabia and OPEC from pricing their oil in Euros and destroying the US's economy?" I have no idea...which is why it's just a theory and not fact. :P


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28 Apr 2007, 6:23 am

I don't know why they are not just honest about their motives (whatever they are); instead of spinning it with the obvious lies.
That way i may be in support.
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28 Apr 2007, 9:36 am

The truth IS obvious, you have to be blind to think you haven't seen it ! !!



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28 Apr 2007, 11:51 am

rideforever wrote:
The truth IS obvious, you have to be blind to think you haven't seen it ! !!



just say what your opinion is instead of pussyfooting around it. i can't stand that....you're wasting a post like this.



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28 Apr 2007, 12:08 pm

the american dollar has been declining in value since the 70s dude
and the government can print it faster than you can save it


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28 Apr 2007, 1:33 pm

skafather84 wrote:
just say what your opinion is instead of pussyfooting around it. i can't stand that....you're wasting a post like this.


I’ll say it.

America is at war in the Middle East to defend Israeli interests. The American Israeli Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) is one of the most powerful, if not the most powerful, lobby group in Washington D.C. No congressman can oppose the AIPAC agenda and expect to be re-elected.

Oil is a peripheral issue and is not the main motive behind the war in Iraq and the current confrontation with Iran. Had Iraq been easy to conquer then that argument might be more plausible. As it stands now American intervention in the Middle East has caused petroleum prices to soar. If we were to use a fraction of the war spending in Iraq and Afghanistan to subsidize the price of gas, then we would probably be paying fifty cents a gallon at the pump.

Former congressman Paul Findley (R-IL) has written an excellent book entitled “They Dare To Speak Out”. The book details AIPAC’s behind the scenes power plays.
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In an article published by the Chicago Tribune, Findley describes his experience in confronting the Israeli lobby:
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Toward the end of my 22-year tenure in Congress, I spoke in favor of Palestinian rights and was critical of Israeli policies of Palestinian land confiscation and Jewish-only settlements on Palestinian lands. These actions were counter to American policy and values. They dimmed chances for peace.

As a result of my evenhanded position, the pro-Israel lobby poured money into my opponent's campaign. I overcame their challenge in 1980 but lost in 1982 by a narrow margin. Still, the message was heard loudly on Capitol Hill: Criticize Israel and pay with your congressional seat.

In my 1985 book, "They Dare to Speak Out," I detailed the tactics used to silence criticism of Israeli policies. One of the groups employing these tactics is the American Israel Public Affairs Committee. On its Web site, AIPAC calls itself "America's pro-Israel lobby" and boasts a New York Times description of it as "the most important organization affecting America's relationship with Israel."

All citizens have the right to band together and push for policies they believe are right. But AIPAC and other pro-Israel lobby groups do not plead the case for Israel on the stage of public opinion. Instead, they often resort to smear campaigns and intimidation to clear the floor so that only their side is heard.

www.chicagotribune.com

George W. Bush has stated on several occasions his desire to aid and protect Israel.
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"Israel is a solid ally of the United States. We will rise to Israel's defense, if need be. So this kind of menacing talk [by President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad] is disturbing. It's not only disturbing to the United States, it's disturbing for other countries in the world, as well," Bush said.

Asked whether he meant the United States would rise to Israel's defense militarily, Bush said: "You bet, we'll defend Israel."

www.washingtonpost.com

AIPAC Policy Conference 2007
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28 Apr 2007, 1:47 pm

AIPAC is pushing us to war with Iran for Israel
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28 Apr 2007, 2:22 pm

i never said cheap oil.



please actually read my post....not just see the word oil and assume i'm talking about invading iraq so we can get cheap gasoline again.


and i know about israel....and i wish we'd just cut our ties....they've brought us nothing but trouble.



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28 Apr 2007, 3:52 pm

skafather84 wrote:
i never said cheap oil.



please actually read my post....not just see the word oil and assume i'm talking about invading iraq so we can get cheap gasoline again.


I wasn't attributing my comments on oil to you. It is just one of most common arguments made.



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28 Apr 2007, 5:30 pm

Well, I wouldn't be surprised if Iran's intense dislike for Israel plays a strong role in it. I'm generally supportive of Israel, but they can be a little bit racist and paranoid. I don't like this, and I want them to stop it. They need to either take the olive branch route with the Pals or just kick their asses and be done with it. This business of trying to do both just isn't working.



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28 Apr 2007, 6:05 pm

Griff wrote:
Well, I wouldn't be surprised if Iran's intense dislike for Israel plays a strong role in it. I'm generally supportive of Israel, but they can be a little bit racist and paranoid. I don't like this, and I want them to stop it. They need to either take the olive branch route with the Pals or just kick their asses and be done with it. This business of trying to do both just isn't working.



well the problem is that we're facing a dedication equal to japan's nationalistic dedication back in world war II.....sadly, the nuclear option might be the only way of really beating these people down far enough to actually submit and say "enough loss of life....we give up!"



but i think the nuclear option also has become non-existent politically....which sucks in this case because it might be our only real option as far as beating up past the stubborn ideology.



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28 Apr 2007, 8:48 pm

Oh, bother. I say just let them alone. If they get too annoying, just level a few of their cities, and tell them to grow up.



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28 Apr 2007, 11:17 pm

I guess it would have a slight impact on exchange rates. If Iraq chose to price its oil in
terms of Euro's only but I doubt it would be a major factor in the exchange rate of Euro
and Dollars. Also devaluing the Dollar when you owe alot of them is a smart thing as long as you keep interest rates low. Interest rates will be low as long as inflation is low.
And inflation will be low as long as you have lots of unemployment, illegal aliens doing work, and cheap Chinese imports.



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28 Apr 2007, 11:34 pm

Jacob_Landshire wrote:

America is at war in the Middle East to defend Israeli interests. The American Israeli Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) is one of the most powerful, if not the most powerful, lobby group in Washington D.C. No congressman can oppose the AIPAC agenda and expect to be re-elected.


Do you have something to say that ISN'T racist propoganda?? How is it that 14 million Jews manage to run the entire world. I'm glad I don't get it.



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29 Apr 2007, 5:28 am

George_Orwell wrote:
Do you have something to say that ISN'T racist propoganda?? How is it that 14 million Jews manage to run the entire world. I'm glad I don't get it.


My statements are not propaganda, they are factual. AIPAC is real, the power it wields in Washington is real.


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29 Apr 2007, 6:17 am

Its not racist it is factual, it is ironic that the only real jewish consripacy was caused by the man who tought the did have one. Orwell, he is not saying they rule the world. They just manipulate politics in their favour.