Bush sets up dictatorial power for self.
The "National Security and Homeland Security Presidential Directive," with the dual designation of NSPD-51, as a National Security Presidential Directive, and HSPD-20, as a Homeland Security Presidential Directive, establishes under the office of president a new National Continuity Coordinator.
That job, as the document describes, is to make plans for "National Essential Functions" of all federal, state, local, territorial, and tribal governments, as well as private sector organizations to continue functioning under the president's directives in the event of a national emergency.
The directive loosely defines "catastrophic emergency" as "any incident, regardless of location, that results in extraordinary levels of mass casualties, damage, or disruption severely affecting the U.S. population, infrastructure, environment, economy, or government functions."
When the president determines a catastrophic emergency has occurred, the president can take over all government functions and direct all private sector activities to ensure we will emerge from the emergency with an "enduring constitutional government."
Translated into layman's terms, when the president determines a national emergency has occurred, the president can declare to the office of the presidency powers usually assumed by dictators to direct any and all government and business activities until the emergency is declared over.
Ironically, the directive sees no contradiction in the assumption of dictatorial powers by the president with the goal of maintaining constitutional continuity through an emergency.
The directive specifies that the assistant to the president for Homeland Security and Counterterrorism will be designated as the National Continuity Coordinator.
Further established is a Continuity Policy Coordination Committee, chaired by a senior director from the Homeland Security Council staff, designated by the National Continuity Coordinator, to be "the main day-to-day forum for such policy coordination."
Currently, the assistant to the president for Homeland Security and Counterterrorism is Frances Fragos Townsend.
Townsend spent 13 years at the Justice Department before moving to the U.S. Coast Guard where she served as assistant commandant for intelligence.
She is a White House staff member in the executive office of the president who also chairs the Homeland Security Council, which as a counterpart to the National Security Council reports directly to the president.
The directive issued May 9 makes no attempt to reconcile the powers created there for the National Continuity Coordinator with the National Emergency Act. As specified by U.S. Code Title 50, Chapter 34, Subchapter II, Section 1621, the National Emergency Act allows that the president may declare a national emergency but requires that such proclamation "shall immediately be transmitted to the Congress and published in the Federal Register."
A Congressional Research Service study notes that under the National Emergency Act, the president "may seize property, organize and control the means of production, seize commodities, assign military forces abroad, institute martial law, seize and control all transportation and communication, regulate the operation of private enterprise, restrict travel, and, in a variety of ways, control the lives of United States citizens."
The CRS study notes that the National Emergency Act sets up congress as a balance empowered to "modify, rescind, or render dormant such delegated emergency authority," if Congress believes the president has acted inappropriately.
NSPD-51/ HSPD-20 appears to supersede the National Emergency Act by creating the new position of National Continuity Coordinator without any specific act of Congress authorizing the position.
NSPD-51/ HSPD-20 also makes no reference whatsoever to Congress. The language of the May 9 directive appears to negate any a requirement that the president submit to Congress a determination that a national emergency exists, suggesting instead that the powers of the executive order can be implemented without any congressional approval or oversight.
Homeland Security spokesperson Russ Knocke affirmed that the Homeland Security Department will be implementing the requirements of NSPD-51/ HSPD-20 under Townsend's direction.
The White House had no comment.
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the actual wording of the directive signed
Jerome Corsi is a right-wing nutscase who peddles nonsense about a "North American Union"
A link to the actual directive, which is suspiciously publicly available for something that supposedly sets up a the creation of a dictatorship. Corsi says the is no mention of "Congress," yet there is multiple references of "legislature."
Note this as well:
(a) Shall be implemented consistent with applicable law and the authorities of agencies, or heads of agencies, vested by law, and subject to the availability of appropriations;
(b) Shall not be construed to impair or otherwise affect (i) the functions of the Director of the Office of Management and Budget relating to budget, administrative, and legislative proposals, or (ii) the authority of the Secretary of Defense over the Department of Defense, including the chain of command for military forces from the President, to the Secretary of Defense, to the commander of military forces, or military command and control procedures; and
(c) Is not intended to, and does not, create any rights or benefits, substantive or procedural, enforceable at law or in equity by a party against the United States, its agencies, instrumentalities, or entities, its officers, employees, or agents, or any other person.
Also, if Bush was consolidating a dictatorship, why aren't the Democrats in congress yelling and screaming about it?
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A link to the actual directive, which is suspiciously publicly available for something that supposedly sets up a the creation of a dictatorship. Corsi says the is no mention of "Congress," yet there is multiple references of "legislature."
Note this as well:
(a) Shall be implemented consistent with applicable law and the authorities of agencies, or heads of agencies, vested by law, and subject to the availability of appropriations;
(b) Shall not be construed to impair or otherwise affect (i) the functions of the Director of the Office of Management and Budget relating to budget, administrative, and legislative proposals, or (ii) the authority of the Secretary of Defense over the Department of Defense, including the chain of command for military forces from the President, to the Secretary of Defense, to the commander of military forces, or military command and control procedures; and
(c) Is not intended to, and does not, create any rights or benefits, substantive or procedural, enforceable at law or in equity by a party against the United States, its agencies, instrumentalities, or entities, its officers, employees, or agents, or any other person.
Also, if Bush was consolidating a dictatorship, why aren't the Democrats in congress yelling and screaming about it?
1. i linked it in my initial post. i made sure to do that. it's only fair to provide both the directive and the article.
2. legislative proposals are related to the director of the office of management and budget....not congress but rather the person appointed by the president.
3. the second part of section b listed talks about not interfering with the chain of command....guess what....the president is still at the top of that and the only thing in between is congress. and yes, the measure does work around congress and creates an artificial legislature. read it more closely.
so...okay...it basically sets up a tyrannical government of multiple figureheads that aren't elected officials and bypass the electoral process. it's not any better.
not to mention the description of what constitutions a "catastrophic emergency" is dangerously vague.
Sorry, I missed that.
The directive states:
Note the words "impair or otherwise effect." This has the same meaning as "shall make no change to." The the Director of this office does not currently have some sort of absolute control over the budget of the United States. As an example, the minimum wage is likely to be increased as President Bush has little choice but to sign a bill to that effect despite his misgivings. This is because the Democrats control the congress and obsessing over this item is too risky in the long term. Bush's director of does not have the power to change the minimum wage by fiat.
The Constitutional procedure on the passing of a bill is very explicit:
Every bill which shall have passed the House of Representatives and the Senate, shall, before it become a law, be presented to the President of the United States; if he approve he shall sign it, but if not he shall return it, with his objections to that House in which it shall have originated, who shall enter the objections at large on their journal, and proceed to reconsider it. If after such reconsideration two thirds of that House shall agree to pass the bill, it shall be sent, together with the objections, to the other House, by which it shall likewise be reconsidered, and if approved by two thirds of that House, it shall become a law. But in all such cases the votes of both Houses shall be determined by yeas and nays, and the names of the persons voting for and against the bill shall be entered on the journal of each House respectively. If any bill shall not be returned by the President within ten days (Sundays excepted) after it shall have been presented to him, the same shall be a law, in like manner as if he had signed it, unless the Congress by their adjournment prevent its return, in which case it shall not be a law.
Every order, resolution, or vote to which the concurrence of the Senate and House of Representatives may be necessary (except on a question of adjournment) shall be presented to the President of the United States; and before the same shall take effect, shall be approved by him, or being disapproved by him, shall be repassed by two thirds of the Senate and House of Representatives, according to the rules and limitations prescribed in the case of a bill.
This explicitly acknowledges the Legislative and Judicial Branch and speaks if "conformity...with proper respect for the constitutional separation of powers". It is worth noting that if this act has the power that Mr. Corsi describes, one would expect lawsuits and considering that many judges were nominated by Democrats, they would not be friendly to the idea of a Bush dictatorship. The concept simply doesn't work logically.
There is nothing devious here. It simply notes that each department head will follow the proper rules, and regulations. It does say "presidential direction," but there is nothing unconstitutional about such things in themselves.
The first sentence of this says that it is not the responsible of the Executive to handle the Legislative and Judicial's continuity programs.It simply allocates allocates "national assets" to support those branches. This is appropriate since the Executive Branch is tasked with "command and control" functions of the government.
It talks about three branches. The Executive, the Legislative, and the Judicial. The President is the head of government and head of state of the United States. There is no "section b."
I can find no reference to anything like an "artificial legislature."
From all appearances this is an emergency contingency plan for something like a nuclear bomb going off in Washington D.C. This is also only in it's earliest stages. There is already something known as "The Shadow Government" in place but that is designed for a nuclear war. TSG was put into place in the 1980s by the Reagan administration due largely to the knowledge of the short amount of time between the large of a ICBM and the destruction of it's target. Reagan wanted some kind of emergency backup in place to help the survivors and negotiate with the Russians. The Shadow Government has never tried to mount a coup, despite it's ultra-secrecy, to the best of our knowledge.
This is a real issue. If Washington is destroyed and our elected, and appointed government are wiped out something needs to be able to take over effectively. We cannot wait until "next November" for elections. It is possible to maintain the Constitution process but at the same time have emergency plans. The Constitution is not a suicide pact.
I openly admit there were (generally non-elected) far-right Republicans making wild and unsubstantiated claims about Bill Clinton (talking about murder, U.N. black helicopters, ex cetera).
CORRECTION: In my response I referred to a "Shadow President." The term usually used is "shadow government." (source)
I openly admit there were (generally non-elected) far-right Republicans making wild and unsubstantiated claims about Bill Clinton (talking about murder, U.N. black helicopters, ex cetera).
CORRECTION: In my response I referred to a "Shadow President." The term usually used is "shadow government." (source)
Yes I think way too many people take shows like Art Bell to seriously. I didn't believe these types of rumors then and I don't believe them now. All this stuff makes for good movie plots but thats about it
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Issuing directives just formalizes what has already been going on for years, namely the Federal Government does what it wants.
Don’t count on the Democratic Party to resist, they aren’t an opposition party. They are financed by the same people who finance the Republicans. Last November they were elected in a landslide because of popular opposition to the Iraq war. While they clearly have the power to end the war in Iraq they haven’t done so. Instead they sit by and pass “protest” resolutions while Bush sends in 20,000 more troops. Republican versus Democrat is a false option.
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What’s new, but its okay, we all should be good little Americans and not question our own government after all that would be un-American. That’s the kind of trash I get from my own relatives they actually believed that the “Patriot” act was only for the Muslims lol that’s your average American for you, things are going to become much worse because of such ignorance