Youtube independent media is properly toast now.

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Looks like they're walking the talk now fully - ie. the demonitizations are going into full swing. Not sure if Alphabet/Google will go the extra step and pull all of these videos down (that has yet to be seen) but it's clear that the corporate media's at the help either directly or indirectly through finance. The alt/independent media is now looking for new platforms - not sure what'll ultimately be the new spot but it looks like the independent media's Youtube chapter is on it's last few sentences.

To censor unfavorable viewpoints and suppress knowledge of material the following groups don't agree with: Republicans, alt-fact believers, big corp, big oil, big tobacco, big cable, oligarchs, Christians, Wall Street, Koch Industries, and Trump administration.

They're here to block out truth and present you with "This is all you need to know. Don't worry about a thing. Everything will be fine. We hate this subject; you should too. Don't ask questions. Buy our sponsors' products."

What? Right leaning channels are the ones being targeted. Left leaning ones even if they are small are pushed onto the trending page to get more attention. Google is and has been a liberal organization. This has been a long time coming. Now being half the nation is right leaning will YouTube survive with only liberals viewing it. I think pushing away half your viewing audience and rejecting millions and ad revenue is dumb business. They'll probably go the way of MySpace. Theres a few video sites like patereion and vidme and yahoo is working on a YouTube competition along with Facebook ramping up their video services. You tube likely would been taken down eventually but citing your views in half will only speed it up. Sad I liked YouTube and hate change but I'm center with both right leaning and left leaning views I can't support censorship of right leaning opinions and biased left leaning support. Mean that one left leaning news thing on YouTube curses left and right and they don't get demonetized they get moved to the front page to get more antention but make a gun review and you get slapped. Post public government video and get accused of copyright violations by CNN and guess who decision it is if your choose to appeal, CNN gets to decide your appeal.

Imagine if the person who judges if your anmurder or not is the same one who accused you of murdering. Seems fair right ? mean wrf google. A independent 3rd should rule on appeals. Of course the accuser is going side with themselves and deny the appeal.
Mean the video has c span in the corner and is public domain videos of congressional hearings and votes yet CNN claims copyright say it's their video and YouTube is just like okie dokie whatever CNN says cause they're leftists like us. Personally wish I could afford to help fun the lawsuit and have google taken for every cent they have. Only matter of time before they cross someone who can afford it

This is confusing. If "YouTube" practices censorship, then why are they nevertheless allowing people to post videos about... YouTube censorship? Shouldn't those videos be censored as well?

Really? I come across material from people like Alex Jones, Paul Joseph Watson, and other such "alt-fact believers" all the time, easily. They're all over the place, no one has censored them. I think certain people should stop whining so much.

See they demonitze them. People can't keep making videos if they aren't paid. Yet google still runs ads on their videos. Google still gets paid , the content creators goes out of business and their videos dispear. The whole argument is the videos aren't advertise friendly, then why do they still run ads in the videos?

Yet I doubt Pepsi wants to advertise on a video where a guy says the f word 10 times in a 5 min length.

Mean while lots of outdoor companies would love to advertise on gun channels. Some of these Chanel's pull in millions of views for YouTube, that's a lot of money per video that YouTube now keeps to its self. Money made by the content creators time and mine which they'd normal get a payout for.a lot of these people do this for s job to feed their family.

Plus side with people moving to patereon YouTube gets cut out. Money goes directly to the content creators. The advertising companies get screws, their views drop. Why will they keep with YouTube?

what they don't want to do......and what they don't want to be seen doing
(on advertising, pepsi and shills never looking nothing up)

So far they just get demonitized.

Also you might have a point - 'they' being gutless advertisers and sponsors who are terrified of their product ever being associated, even by accident, with an opinion and even worse if there's something substantial to that opinion.

I do think we're seeing the pattern of history playing itself out here though - ie. if something's important and needs to be said it'll rattle people, the emotional effects of that rattling could be good or bad, and someone wanting to sell a product wants to - at all times - have that association be good. The Jeremiah's of today at least have Patreon and the like but, like always in history, theirs generally tends to be a road of both deep meaning and sacrifice that most onlookers both envy and pity.

Either way though I do think the Alphabet/Google/Facebook/etc... should just put the koolaid down and say 'tough s---, if they're wrong you're supplying the rope for them to hang their idea out to dry'. I think every opinion needs to be heard; good, bad, or otherwise. It's how bad ideas get destroyed and good ones flourish. Appointing oneself to shelter and shepherd the chattle isn't the way to go.

a week further, though
everyone covered this already;


a [.....] quote: "you're being distracted"

... yeah. that happens when you privatize the platform. whoever owns it, gets to have the say about who can make money with it...- which, btw. isn't exactly censorship, I'd like to add.

back in the days, you had to pay for independent media, directly, not through looking/clicking at advertisements.
I'd even go as far as calling ad-revenue-financed media "dependent", to begin with...

you know what: I'm going to say it: youtube is not a news platform, to begin with.
it's an advertising platform.
always has been.

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with 300 hours of video being uploaded to youtube every minute... no one can actually hear all the ideas.
someone filtering out the ridiculously bad sounds practical.

personally, I'd even go and find a journalist, i.e., someone with education, to sort out information for me- not some google-monkey who's doing it "manually", but an actual journalist.
I rememember, there used to be these printed things, on paper, which had the news on them, curated and summarized by journalists....

If the video causes offense, it has no ads. No one gets paid. You can't force ad buyers to associate with views they dislike.

That really doesn't change regardless.


Part of me would say that would be fine if that's what they're doing but they're not - they're 'filtering out' anything that could be deemed controversial or 'offensive' in any good, bad, or indifferent way. I'm hesitant to even say that it would be a good thing for them to try even if they had the best intent and really meant to self-monitor for bias, ie. I agree with Jonathan Haidt that we really are too tribal at the core to trust ourselves to make censorship calls, particularly where there's no call to violence.

The YouTube users will likely fight back against this. They always do.

The ADL is behind this? I don't like the sound of that. The ADL are colossal hypocrites. They call out the hate crimes that occur in the West, but they ignore the anti-Palestinian hate crimes that occur in Israeli territories.

I totally see why right-wing anti-immigrant videos are being taken down. Have any progressive, anti-corporate videos been taken down?

If so, this might go beyond the ADL. Perhaps YouTube's corporate sponsors are behind this.

I don't really give a damn about alt-right garbage, but if my favorite anti-corporate channels get taken down, I am going to be really pissed off.

Youtube is going even further than demonetization. Not only will the "controversial" videos not get sponsored, they won't even show up unless you are following the channel itself. They'll become blacklisted from search and related results if they do not fit the views of Youtube, even if the videos themselves do not breach Youtubes ToS. Think I'm being paranoid? Youtube have confirmed they are doing this soon.

This is a prospect currently affecting centre-left commentators, the skeptic community, and anyone short of what is considered the deep left politically. Right now, it might seem OK for some of you. But eventually should your opinion vary by 1 opinion and margin, good luck finding videos that support your view in 5 years.

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That's not what's happening. They only targeting conserviative leaning channels and videos and they're still running ads on those videos. They can't be like we demonitzing you cause our advertisers don't want to run their ads on your video but then still run the ads. YouTube is smimple trying to push right leaning people out and make it seem like the whole nation is left leaning by controlling the media and information on the internet. Proproganda 101.