Police paid sex offender to infultrate pedophile ring

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Northumbria police defended paying a convicted sex offender on the basis that they wouldn't has been able to make the convictions without this evidence. This individual is been known as XY, and the wide operation is called Operation Shelter.

This individual's is not considered wholly reliable by judges, and he was subject to another legal case regarding his honesty when he was recruited by police.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/08 ... -grooming/

What do you think of this tactic, does the end justify the means? There was talk of the defense barristers getting the case thrown out becuase of it, becuase of public confidence. However the convictions held.

There was mention of public confidence being undermined, however public confidence would have been undermined had the convictions not held, however that is the gamble.

Give one piece of s**t just under ten grand to help put away 18 pieces of s**t? Sounds good to me. And this guy had served his time. Sometimes criminals are allowed to go unpunished if they can help you reel in bigger fish.

What price would you put on preventing a single child being raped?

And about the risks with informants, the risk is there every time when dealing with informants. Don't think small and look at one case, look at the big picture and whether the police force is getting an overall return on investment from their informants.

Not a bad idea.....if the pedophile actually testifies truthfully.

If the witness is known to have a history of unreliable testimony, it's highly likely that any case he testifies in will be thrown out on appeal, making the effort of having paid him as an informant a complete waste of time and money.

Using lies and deception, even in the pursuit of righteous ends, is not ethical, or ultimately effective. In the end, it only tarnishes the character of supposedly "good men." How can your heroes be honorable, when you have enlisted them to use corrupt and dishonest means? Using evil to police evil only creates more evil.

It turn out he never actually testified, however he supplied information on the times and locations of these "parties" to the police as an informal taxi driver to the ring.

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I think if the police are going to do this, they need to get the best legal advice, and do everything by the book.

Like willard says, it runs the risk of being overturned on appeal if they don't do things legally.

In principle this technique could be used, but it comes with risks attached, re-offending and also the informant tipping them off. So therefore additional severance is required.

I think it is something that should only be done on a case by case basis.

BTW XY was recently in court relating to a sexual assault, although it fell through.

Like wh***y Bulger? The guy responsible for 19 murders...? Infiltrating the police and FBI, promoting corruption. Not a good plan when dealing with mobsters.

It is not for the FBI to decide who faces justice. They don't make the law. If a crime has been committed it should be investigated.

If you are talking about plea bargaining, this doesn't really exist in the UK.

I also think it is very unethical, as it is related to a plea. If the person is already convicted, I don't see why an offer could take place as part of the sentencing.

Plea bargaining is flawed, becuase it perverts the very notion of determining innocence until guilty. So example of how it can go wrong is either someone who may be innocent but they given very little option but to plead guilty, due to stack stark options either way. Or it can be that someone gets of lightly an important evidence to do with the victim/defendants never see the light of day.

It is widespread in the US, however I believe it only really became popular as a result origansised crime.

Then there are special fast tracked trials. Rudy Guede the only person they know for sure was involved in Meredith Kercher's murder. Was allowed to use a fast track system, so his testimony was never cross examined. He had every incentive to lie and has benefited from his cooperation in reduced sentence.

These ideas are not without their flaws.

We agree, but police are still allowed to lie and deceive...

Ten (10) Ways Police Can Legally Lie to You

Seriously, that guy is worse than the average sex offender. Treason is the most heinous of sins. Then again, honor amongst sex criminals who band together is a myth. They will turn on each other like they turn against their victims, and they will sleep soundly at night satisfied that their own skin is spared the lash of the law.

Yeah, my opinion is extremely low of certain groups of people.