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23 Jan 2018, 3:42 am

I am really puzzled. I think that if the Anglo Saxons (or whatever they now refer to U.S. Citizens of English ancestry these days) were actually logically consistent in their entire ideological worldview, they would be Loyal to the British Crown. After all, The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland is, after all, their original Homeland, in any event.



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23 Jan 2018, 4:09 am

TwinRuler wrote:
I am really puzzled. I think that if the Anglo Saxons (or whatever they now refer to U.S. Citizens of English ancestry these days) were actually logically consistent in their entire ideological worldview, they would be Loyal to the British Crown. After all, The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland is, after all, their original Homeland, in any event.


TwinRuler?

Are you feeling alright?

Your starting an excessive number of threads tonight. And your posts are starting to descend into Silly Land.

Sumpin' bugging you?



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23 Jan 2018, 4:26 am

Perhaps, something is. My life seems somewhat meaningless today. Seems to lack any type of purpose altogether. Been feeling depressed for years. Mind you, I have always wondered: do any Americans, at all, consider the many British Soldiers who fought and died, in The American Revolt, fighting to prevent the rise of George Washington? Whenever Veterans Day or Memorial Day roll around, I ponder precisely this question.



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25 Jan 2018, 10:20 pm

Anglo-Saxon simply refers to an ethnicity of British people descended from native Britons (Saxons) and invaders from Central Europe (the Angles). It has nothing to do with the modern royal family, who are in fact largely of German descent.

The average UK citizen today can be any race or ethnicity and very, very few people would be purely Anglo-Saxon at this point in time. The combining of these cultures happened significantly prior to the Roman invasion of Brittania, putting true Anglo-Saxons solidly in the world of antiquity.



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25 Jan 2018, 10:28 pm

TwinRuler wrote:
Perhaps, something is. My life seems somewhat meaningless today. Seems to lack any type of purpose altogether. Been feeling depressed for years. Mind you, I have always wondered: do any Americans, at all, consider the many British Soldiers who fought and died, in The American Revolt, fighting to prevent the rise of George Washington? Whenever Veterans Day or Memorial Day roll around, I ponder precisely this question.


Perhaps American conservatives should consider this, given that Washington was a progressive liberal.


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25 Jan 2018, 10:42 pm

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I have always wondered: do any Americans, at all, consider the many British Soldiers who fought and died, in The American Revolt, fighting to prevent the rise of George Washington? Whenever Veterans Day or Memorial Day roll around, I ponder precisely this question.

They came three thousand miles, and died,
To keep the Past upon its throne;
Unheard, beyond the ocean tide,
Their English mother made her moan.


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26 Jan 2018, 4:53 am

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Anglo-Saxon simply refers to an ethnicity of British people descended from native Britons (Saxons) and invaders from Central Europe (the Angles). It has nothing to do with the modern royal family, who are in fact largely of German descent.

The average UK citizen today can be any race or ethnicity and very, very few people would be purely Anglo-Saxon at this point in time. The combining of these cultures happened significantly prior to the Roman invasion of Brittania, putting true Anglo-Saxons solidly in the world of antiquity.


Well...not exactly.

The "Britons" were the Celtic natives of the Island that bears their name to this day."Britain".

They were conquered and ruled by the Romans for several Centuries.

Then in the Fifth Century as the Roman Empire began to implode the island was invaded by the Germanic speaking tribes of what is now northern Netherlands, northwest Germany, and southern Denmark. These folks are now referred to as the "Anglosaxons" (they came over only in late Roman times and after the Romans, they were not there before the Roman conquest).

Long complex story short: the Anglosaxon invaders became the "English", and the Celtic folks they pushed out of the parts of Britain that became England became the modern Welsh, Cornish, Scots, and Irish.

Then later in the Dark Ages both Celts and Anglosaxons got attacked by the Germanic speaking Vikings from Scandanavia.

And then still later (in 1066) the Norman French conquered England. England's modern aristocracy is still largely Norman. So today a German Royal family rules the Norman aristocracy which in turn rules the Anglosaxon population, that oppresses the Celtic population. Lol!

But yes, obviously all of these groups have long mixed together. And on top of that in the last two centures brown folks from all over the third world have also settled in Britain. So the OP's post is rather silly.

I agree with your main point. My only real point is that you place the Anglosaxons prior to the Romans, when in fact they were the next wave of invaders of the island AFTER the Romans (but prior to the Vikings, and prior to the still later Normans).

Also...the original poster expects modern Americans of Anglosaxon English descent to be loyal to the British Royal family which is really the German royal family, when the Germans themselves long ago got rid of their Kaiser (cousin of the British royals) and have not been loyal to that family in a century. So why should we Americans be loyal to the German royal family when the Germans themselves are not loyal to it?????? :lol:



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27 Jan 2018, 2:12 am

Culture is what matters, not ethnicity. Cultural idealism isn't passed down through genes or blood, but it is through education.
Incidentally, the largest ethnicity among Americans isn't British, but German. Yet the language of America and her culture (at least in governance) isn't that of Germany.


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27 Jan 2018, 2:32 am

Disconaut wrote:
Anglo-Saxon simply refers to an ethnicity of British people descended from native Britons (Saxons) and invaders from Central Europe (the Angles). It has nothing to do with the modern royal family, who are in fact largely of German descent.

The average UK citizen today can be any race or ethnicity and very, very few people would be purely Anglo-Saxon at this point in time. The combining of these cultures happened significantly prior to the Roman invasion of Brittania, putting true Anglo-Saxons solidly in the world of antiquity.



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The Saxons (Latin: Saxones, Old English: Seaxe, Old Saxon: Sahson, Low German: Sassen) were a group of Germanic tribes first mentioned as living near the North Sea coast of what is now Germany (Old Saxony), in the late Roman Empire. They were soon mentioned as raiding and settling in many North Sea areas, as well as pushing south inland towards the Franks. Significant numbers settled in large parts of Great Britain in the early Middle Ages and formed part of the merged group of Anglo-Saxons who eventually organised the first united Kingdom of England.[1] Many Saxons however remained in Germania (Old Saxony c. 531–804), where they resisted the expanding Frankish Empire through the leadership of the semi-legendary Saxon hero, Widukind. Initially, Saxons of Britain and those of Old Saxony (Northern Germany) were both referred to as 'Saxons' in an indiscriminate manner. The term Anglo-Saxon, in turn, came into practice in the 8th century (probably by Paul the Deacon) to distinguish English Saxons from continental Saxons (Ealdseaxe, 'old Saxons').



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saxons

So Saxons=Germanic



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27 Jan 2018, 3:08 am

:D I seriously doubt that Germans really are the largest Ethnic Group in America. I wonder who comes up with such a ridiculous lie?



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27 Jan 2018, 8:40 am

We German Americans are a BIG chunk of the American population (maybe like a third of the White population). That much is sure.

But I always had the impression that the Germans were the second largest after the English (or the British, or like that).

But I could be wrong. The Germans might beat out British descent folks, and be the largest single group. The Germans are bigger chunk of the US population than are other large groups like the Italians, and the Irish.



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27 Jan 2018, 9:13 am

It might be quite hard to tell which group is largest. Are we comparing English to German or British to Germanic and English includes quite a bit of Germanic in our DNA anyway. George I II and III were all Elector's of Hanover as well and there were Germans fighting for Britain in your war of Independence. Just as an observation from the outside, your rules appear very British while your interpretation of them seem more German. Language wise English is a Germanic language.



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27 Jan 2018, 9:31 am

TwinRuler wrote:
:D I seriously doubt that Germans really are the largest Ethnic Group in America. I wonder who comes up with such a ridiculous lie?

German Americans, opening paragraph:

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German Americans (German: Deutschamerikaner) are Americans who have full or partial German ancestry. With an estimated size of approximately 44 million in 2016, German Americans are the largest of the ancestry groups reported by the US Census Bureau in its American Community Survey.[1] The group accounts for about one third of the total ethnic German population in the world.[6][7][8]



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27 Jan 2018, 3:18 pm

TwinRuler wrote:
:D I seriously doubt that Germans really are the largest Ethnic Group in America. I wonder who comes up with such a ridiculous lie?


What do you have against German Americans?


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27 Jan 2018, 3:19 pm

Aristophanes wrote:
TwinRuler wrote:
:D I seriously doubt that Germans really are the largest Ethnic Group in America. I wonder who comes up with such a ridiculous lie?

German Americans, opening paragraph:

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German Americans (German: Deutschamerikaner) are Americans who have full or partial German ancestry. With an estimated size of approximately 44 million in 2016, German Americans are the largest of the ancestry groups reported by the US Census Bureau in its American Community Survey.[1] The group accounts for about one third of the total ethnic German population in the world.[6][7][8]


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