Are men not allowed to think abortion is wrong?

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25 Jan 2018, 11:11 am

Saying men can't think abortion is wrong is like saying it's wrong for someone who's not from a country where they commonly kill babies because they are female to think that it is wrong for people to kill babies because they're female.



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25 Jan 2018, 11:40 am

I wouldn't say that's exactly the same. Or the same at all.
Anyone from any country is allowed to think it's wrong to kill female babies, and anyone is allowed to speak up about it. But unless you're a decision-maker in that particular country, there's not much you can do about it.
Men are allowed to think whatever they want about abortion, and just as allowed to speak up for a cause that's important to them. However, they should not be allowed to decide what women are allowed to do with their bodies.



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25 Jan 2018, 11:45 am

People can (and obviously do) think whatever the hell they want. However, nobody should be able to legislate the rights of others based upon their ignorance of biology or idiotic Bronze-Age mythology.

If men could get pregnant, abortion would be a sacrament.



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25 Jan 2018, 11:56 am

Embla wrote:
Men are allowed to think whatever they want about abortion, and just as allowed to speak up for a cause that's important to them. However, they should not be allowed to decide what women are allowed to do with their bodies.
That is exactly my sentiment as well.


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25 Jan 2018, 12:06 pm

Skilpadde wrote:
Embla wrote:
Men are allowed to think whatever they want about abortion, and just as allowed to speak up for a cause that's important to them. However, they should not be allowed to decide what women are allowed to do with their bodies.

That is exactly my sentiment as well.


I agree as well.

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25 Jan 2018, 6:08 pm

Embla wrote:
I wouldn't say that's exactly the same. Or the same at all.
Anyone from any country is allowed to think it's wrong to kill female babies, and anyone is allowed to speak up about it. But unless you're a decision-maker in that particular country, there's not much you can do about it.
Men are allowed to think whatever they want about abortion, and just as allowed to speak up for a cause that's important to them. However, they should not be allowed to decide what women are allowed to do with their bodies.


This ^


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25 Jan 2018, 6:17 pm

You're entitled to feel about abortion however you feel about it.

You just have no actual right to force a woman to carry an unplanned/unwanted/unsafe pregnancy against her will. Not by force of law and certainly not by physical force. It's always her inherent right to choose to carry or not carry a pregnancy to term.


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25 Jan 2018, 6:43 pm

Men can believe whatever they want.

I'm still not carrying a rapist's child.

Men will never have that problem; therefore, I tend to care less about what they think.


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25 Jan 2018, 7:16 pm

NewTime wrote:
Saying men can't think abortion is wrong is like saying it's wrong for someone who's not from a country where they commonly kill babies because they are female to think that it is wrong for people to kill babies because they're female.



False equivalence. You are conflating two different issues as if one proves the other.



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25 Jan 2018, 7:37 pm

You're allowed to think it's wrong, but you're not allowed to use what you think about abortion to try to force women to do what you want them to with their bodies. Just like I can think men not being circumcised is wrong all I like, but I can't use that as justification to try to force all men to get circumcised. If it's not your body, it's not your choice. My opinion on circumcision is equally as relevant as your opinion on abortion--I have no right to tell a man what to do with his body, and vice versa. That's how it works.



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25 Jan 2018, 10:12 pm

Its not that men can't think its wrong, but you have to recognise you are starting from a position without information women have.

Women know since we are little girls that one day we will likely get pregnant and have our own babies, and even those who choose to be childfree still need to think about this when choosing BC options. Having this knowledge from such a young age leads to one having an intimate connection with this aspect of one's biology.

Basically - its nearly impossible for men to appreciate what its like to be pregnant and give birth. Even women who haven't been pregnant have a respect for the process and know its difficult.

Men (not all obviously) seem to think pregnancy is a painless endeavour where you poop out a baby in 9 months and if you don't want it, just give it to the overstuffed child welfare system! Easy-peasy, right? Except its not, and usually "pro-life" men cannot grasp this concept.



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25 Jan 2018, 10:38 pm

Disconaut wrote:
Its not that men can't think its wrong, but you have to recognise you are starting from a position without information women have.

Women know since we are little girls that one day we will likely get pregnant and have our own babies, and even those who choose to be childfree still need to think about this when choosing BC options. Having this knowledge from such a young age leads to one having an intimate connection with this aspect of one's biology.

Basically - its nearly impossible for men to appreciate what its like to be pregnant and give birth. Even women who haven't been pregnant have a respect for the process and know its difficult.

Men (not all obviously) seem to think pregnancy is a painless endeavour where you poop out a baby in 9 months and if you don't want it, just give it to the overstuffed child welfare system! Easy-peasy, right? Except its not, and usually "pro-life" men cannot grasp this concept.


^ This.


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25 Jan 2018, 10:42 pm

NewTime wrote:
Saying men can't think abortion is wrong is like saying it's wrong for someone who's not from a country where they commonly kill babies because they are female to think that it is wrong for people to kill babies because they're female.


You can think whatever you want. That is not the issue. The issue is, the fetus grows in another person's body, affecting the health of that person and putting that person's life at risk, and that some women feel that men should not have domain over their body.

When a man prevents a woman from getting an abortion he is essentially telling her "This thing is growing in you and will probably make you sick and hang you up, and it might kill you or cause permanent damage to your body, and I'm going to prevent you from doing anything about it even though I'm not going to help you out in life in any way". Some women have a problem with that.

Regardless of one's support of abortion I think a lot of men (and some women) don't realize what a woman is really subjected to during pregnancy and childbirth and how severely these things can impact her. While we have evolved to carry and give birth, humans females can just only barely manage this because human infants are so big have such large heads and shoulders. We are far from physiologically optimized for our role, and only just "good enough" for the species to perpetuate. The United States has the highest maternal mortality rate of any industrialized country and the highest child birth costs and biological fathers have no legal responsibility to pay for pre-natal care or child birth costs the woman is completely on the hook for that herself. The average cost of having a complication free childbirth by vaginal birth or c section is $15,000 to $30,000 in the U.S. which she will be responsible for if insurance doesn't pick it up. When my sister was pregnant with her first child, she was denied adding pre-natal to her policy because she had had a urinary tract infection 9 years before. She ended up having complications with both children. She had to be induced with the first because he water broke but her labor wasn't progressing and she had to be induced with the second because she developed a liver condition as a result of pregnancy and then the baby became stuck in the birth canal and finally came out with the cord around his neck. She had a friend who had given birth a few weeks before, who tore severely and was having trouble healing, and another one who had given birth a few weeks before, contracted an infection and died. These were wanted babies, by the way, and the women were married. I'm just using these examples to illustrate that being pregnant can pose a high risk to a woman's life, which a lot of men and some women are completely ignorant too, yet they want to make policies that force women to remain pregnant.



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26 Jan 2018, 12:19 am

Piobaire wrote:
People can (and obviously do) think whatever the hell they want. However, nobody should be able to legislate the rights of others based upon their ignorance of biology or idiotic Bronze-Age mythology.

If men could get pregnant, abortion would be a sacrament.

I feel same about gun control
Sadly most laws are done by people who have no idea about what they making a law about.