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03 Nov 2005, 6:55 pm

Everything except Roads, Police, Courts, Military, and similar things which can't be accomplished privately. Everything else should be privatized.

The good thing about Privatization is we know it works and that it works well.

Aren't private schools better than government run schools? 'nuff said. 8)



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03 Nov 2005, 7:27 pm

Psychlone wrote:
Aren't private schools better than government run schools? 'nuff said. 8)


I am sure that all the people who are at poverty level and whose only option is to have free education for their children will agree with you. :roll:



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03 Nov 2005, 7:42 pm

Bec wrote:

I am sure that all the people who are at poverty level and whose only option is to have free education for their children will agree with you. :roll:


privatise them! :lol:

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03 Nov 2005, 8:10 pm

Bec wrote:
Psychlone wrote:
Aren't private schools better than government run schools? 'nuff said. 8)


I am sure that all the people who are at poverty level and whose only option is to have free education for their children will agree with you. :roll:


That is what vouchers are for.

1.) Privatize all schools.

2.) Set up a voucher system for the poor so everyone can get a first class education.

There, what is your argument now?



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03 Nov 2005, 8:15 pm

I attend a public university and I feel that I'm getting a damn good education for the money I spend.

My history teacher would argue differently. One of the ongoing themes of his class (and yes he is a liberal, but not a radical) is that public service is not the bad and taboo thing that conservatives had tried to make it out to me.

His argument, albeit an uspoken one, is that public service must be carefully balanced with private enterprise and that our society wouldn't be where it is today if it wasn't for actions taken by our goverment to intervine on the behalf of the working folk here in the US.

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04 Nov 2005, 9:25 am

Psychlone wrote:
Bec wrote:
Psychlone wrote:
Aren't private schools better than government run schools? 'nuff said. 8)


I am sure that all the people who are at poverty level and whose only option is to have free education for their children will agree with you. :roll:


That is what vouchers are for.

1.) Privatize all schools.

2.) Set up a voucher system for the poor so everyone can get a first class education.

There, what is your argument now?


A voucher system would be unworkable and too costly. The government would end up paying for the private schools' profit margin. It is better for the government to run the schools themselves. We have this thing in Britain called the Private Finance Initiative (PFI) and the idea is that private companies build schools and hospitals on behalf of the State. It is a total failure and the government ends up paying far more than it would pay if it had built them itself.

Besides private schools are open to corruption. How would you control what was being taught in them if they were private. In America, you would have the religious right and big business buying up the schools and teaching the kids a very distorted (pro-capitalist) view of the world. The kids that come out would all be clones specifically designed to meet the needs of the corporations. They would be taught not to care about the poor, the environment, or democracy. With the next generation thinking those thoughts, everything still good in this world will quickly disappear!! !

Keep our schools National and still under the hold and ownership of the people and democracy.



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04 Nov 2005, 1:48 pm

RobertN wrote:
A voucher system would be unworkable and too costly.


That's funny, because that is true of the current government run system. With the red tape and bureaucracy you have the problem of paying $50 for a hammer and so on. The voucher system would not be far less expensive than the government run system because it would act as a safety net to help the poor, and would not cover those who can afford to pay.

And what about competition? A free market in education means competition between schools to offer the best deal for the lowest price which forces down the price while at the same time increasing quality.

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How would you control what was being taught in them if they were private. In America, you would have the religious right and big business buying up the schools and teaching the kids a very distorted (pro-capitalist) view of the world. The kids that come out would all be clones specifically designed to meet the needs of the corporations. They would be taught not to care about the poor, the environment, or democracy. With the next generation thinking those thoughts, everything still good in this world will quickly disappear!! !


I could say the same about public schools which often distort facts and glorify the state. Schools very often distort history to make it out that any war the country ever fought in was just and that we are always the good guys, which isn't always the case.

The government could still regulate the private schools and make standardize what is taught and so on. But I think parents should make the choice in how to educate their kids, not the bureaucrats.

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Keep our schools National and still under the hold and ownership of the people and democracy.


I don't know about where you live, but in this country public schools are a failure. The infrastructure is falling apart, the text books are outdated, the schools are a haven for drugs and gangs, etc. You don't see all those problems with the private schools, or at least not to the same extent.

So what I am proposing is to help the poor get a private education through vouchers. This way they can get the same quality education that the rich kids get. I would think you would be in support of this idea because it is helping the poor....



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04 Nov 2005, 2:50 pm

Yes, private schools in our country are better than state schools, but only because they have selective intake and are funded by rich parents.

I don't think a voucher system would work. Under your system, schools would still have unrulely kids, and it would be no better than the state system yet more expensive, as the schools in poor areas would be sponging funds off the government to maintain their profit margins.

Remember, that turning a public institution into a business would be taking a huge chunk out of the community, and putting it in the hands of a few people to make a profit. If you take chunks out of a community, it will result in social problems. Just look at the miners' strike of 1985. When Thatcher privatised the mines and layed off the workers, whole communities were destroyed and nobody felt they belonged anymore. As a result, drugs seeped into these areas, and they are unrecognisable to how they were 20 years ago. They are now places of crime and despair.