What will be the future of politics after Trump?

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Whether you like him or hate him, Trump was able to win the presidency by running as a non-politician. He is something that we have never seen before. He is not a traditional president. Before Trump was elected, he was a businessman and a tv reality star. He had no experience in politics or government before he took the presidency. Whether Trump leaves office after his first term or is re-elected in 2020, do you think that the next president will be a standard politician or do you think we will elect another non-politician like Trump? Trump has definitely changed the dynamics of politics. Even though he ran as a republican, he kind of ran against both parties. Both republicans and democrats have been critical of him.

I think the problem the establishment politicians have with people like Trump and Bernie is that they represent a shift in the political landscape. People have shown that they are tired of the status quo.

It depends.

The real conflict within American politics right now in the conflict between the corporate Dems and the Nordic Model supporters.

If the Nordic Model succeeds, America will take a huge leap forward. The Republicans will be forced to move forward in order to stay relevant.

If the corporate Dems succeed, the Republicans will likely stay in power as long as they are running against corporate Dems.

Obama blamed bush for everything until his last day in office. It was bush this bush that bush bush bush same with media. So after trumps 8 years the media and democrat in office will still daily talk about trump until the next republican present then it’ll be all about that person. They’ll probably be like look even trump doesn’t approve of this new republican president

A President’s run is 4 years, not 8. No President is guaranteed 8 years and out if favorability the odds are not in Trump’s favor despite his fans wanting it to be. Democrats need to mess up very badly for Trump to get in, that said there’s still a chance Democrats will blow it as Darth somewhat went into.

Phony, lieing, preteding, corporate-owned politicians coming back!

They'll tell you they're just like your fav, Trump/Sanders, but in truth they'll be the ...

The great pretender

The GOP (in its present form) will likely lose its Conservative Christian support base. Links follow.

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You can count the ones who didn’t on one hand. Each party gets 8 years and then it swaps. Unless they current president resigns it’s very very very likely they get another term, so get use to trump. You all said trump couldn’t win and Hillary was guaranteed now you doing it again. So well going have liberal tantrum 2 in 2020

IDK, I mean honestly I have no idea. After what I saw with Trump and North Korea I am almost expecting to wake up from it and find it was just a nightmare. I mean I am not a terribly patriotic person, but his display with Kim made me want to vomit, scream, punch things, cry ect all at once. Just the extreme amount of disrespect that is to our veterans who died fighting things like authoritarianism, absolutely disgusting...I have to stop typing about it or I might actually vomit. Absolutely disgusting display by Trump...

And we should be grateful they are sending back bones, of american soldiers who died fighting against what North Korea stands for Now? After how many freaking years?

I already want to move to a different country, 4 more years of Trump and yes I will throw a gigantic liberal temper tantrum I promise, perhaps I can film it for everyone's entertainment. I'll throw a liberal tantrum party, invite everyone over so at a designated time we can all scream the worst screams we can muster to express our frustration.

Those Presidents also have an overall favorable rating that is leagues above Trump’s, even George W. Bush does.

Actually the narrative is different. The narrative that it was impossible for him to win led to many on the left not or protest voting. This time it’s possible for him to win, which is one of many elements that will, undoubtedly, change the playing field.

What you’re displaying is the same bravado Democrats did in believing 110% that Hillary was a sure thing. What 2016 proved is that nothing is guaranteed.

George W Bush was a terrible president, but at least he was not quite so terrible of a human as Trump. I mean with Trumps presidency I actually miss George W Bush being president, like I actually miss that mess compared to trump. At least he did not compliment and pose with Kim of North Korea....

No, he just killed a million people in Iraq bless him.

Oddly Obama killed more people than Bush and now Trump is set to kill more people than Obama. The military industrial complex, no matter which party has the white house, increases with every new President it seems like.

I wrote this right around 12:00 when WP turns into a pumpkin so I'll try it again this morning:

I think StyxHexenHammer666 has made an interesting point on this - ie. that if non-Democrat populists like Trump are winning, and if the idea that there'd just be this crushing blue wave of intellectual progress and education that would make everyone vote Democrat and conservatism would be annihilated as a political power in the US is getting dashed by major losses in Congressional seating and side effects of just how bad the DNC's been run it means they'll need to reinvent themselves and... *gasp*... be a real party with real ideas again. The other part of it, which stands out really clear for someone whose not a Democrat - it wasn't and isn't a party in line with all of the facts on the ground, a lot of the know-it-alls who thought they'd usher in a progressive utopia were indeed suffering a massive bout of Dunning Kruger. It could be in principle a party with all of the facts but again leadership matters, and the same thing for the Republican party. The ideal way for the Democrat and Republic party to operate is for those left of center, creative types largely, to come up with new ideas and plan them out, they talk to those right of center who tend to be more the 'how would we make it work' financially and legally, they'd have a high quality back and forth debate until the idea at the end was property vetted. In theory Congress was something like an 18th century shot at peer review - comparing science peer review to politics helps show just how fallen politics is.

For the Dems going forward success simply by having the media, having convinced minority groups that they're they have to be Democrat to be authentically of their race, none of that will cut it anymore. Kanye was probably more of a problem for them than most people realize because if the black vote becomes truly heterogeneous, and he seemed to speak up a time where party fealty was already starting to soften, they might have a very difficult time taking power anywhere on the old 'D means not racist and not wanting poor people sent to the moon'. For whatever reason Trump tends to get a more positive read from the black community than a lot of other people have (perhaps because they're as used to seeing him on TV as anyone else) so in some ways he could have opened the door to that slightly. Scott Adams also suggested that school vouchers were an issue and that the black community is very well aware of how much of a determent having their children stuck under the teachers unions has done to their chances of getting ahead in life - an issue which Trump has been attentive to.

That might be uncomfortable for them for a while, they might need a massive purging of their old guard to survive, and the resulting party could be left-libertarian, they could be very much cut of the Bernie Sanders cloth, we don't know, just that they'd have to once again persuade people on the value of their platforms.

As for the Republican party - I'm not sure. Also for as much as I've listened to Sam Harris I'm still weighing the question of whether us having a brash NYC contractor and reality TV star, with his pin-up girl scandals, is doing much for global perception of the American brand. What I would say is that yes, it could open doors for more dangerous sorts of people to get in (particularly broad acceptance of his daily lying), it could also cause a rush to find someone whose much his opposite.

I also think November 2016 was the worst set of presidential choices I can remember and I'd have to think the number of elections where the choices were that bad could be counted on five fingers or fewer.

(1) It has nothing to do with being “authentic” to one’s minority group and all to do with the terrifying number of bigots who lean right. Charlottesville and how Republicans shrugged it off merely solidified that even further among minorities. If you mean not leaning independent (not D or R) and calling Democrats out as well - I’d say that’s more generational since that charge is being led by millennials more so than by xers or boomers.

(2) Trump has 22% favorability among black people, that number isn’t positive and it’s lower than George W. Bush (32%) as well as many other Republicans. Did Kanye bump or temporarily bump Trump’s approval? Yep, before Kanye it was - 11%. So, there isn’t a positive reading of Trump in the black community and the bump (due to timeline of polling) was due to Kanye rather than Trump. On twitter, the majority in the black community were stating Kanye is in “the sunken place” (‘Get Out’ reference).

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