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12 Jul 2018, 9:47 pm

I believe this is a real possibility despite what some may actually think because I see America as going leftward. Under this idea, I see it as likely that the Social Democrats will take over the Democratic Party in 2020 and use it to defeat Trump in an upset landslide.



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12 Jul 2018, 10:13 pm

Anything is possible I suppose. If you read the chans, the QAnon stuff, they'd have you believe the Storm is coming and the Democrats and never-Trump Republicans are going to be buried under an avalanche of corruption and sex scandal before the end of the year. Pizzagate on steroids.


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13 Jul 2018, 2:21 am

Shahunshah wrote:
defeat Trump in an upset landslide.

Trump is likely to be the underdog.

Likely, Trump will have lower polling numbers.


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13 Jul 2018, 2:25 am

Shahunshah wrote:
I believe this is a real possibility despite what some may actually think because I see America as going leftward. Under this idea, I see it as likely that the Social Democrats will take over the Democratic Party in 2020 and use it to defeat Trump in an upset landslide.


Is Winston Peters your deputy PM now? He says the right things.



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13 Jul 2018, 4:15 am

Will Americans really accept socialism? I think Americans value freedom unlike Europeans. Capitalism is what made America great I cannot see people wanting to give that up.



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13 Jul 2018, 5:07 am

I believe, like George W. Bush before him, Trump will be re-elected.

I would love to be proven wrong, though.


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13 Jul 2018, 5:10 am

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Will Americans really accept socialism? I think Americans value freedom unlike Europeans. Capitalism is what made America great I cannot see people wanting to give that up.


I love liberty and despise freedom.



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13 Jul 2018, 5:31 am

Tequila wrote:
Daniel89 wrote:
Will Americans really accept socialism? I think Americans value freedom unlike Europeans. Capitalism is what made America great I cannot see people wanting to give that up.


I love liberty and despise freedom.


The difference being?



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13 Jul 2018, 5:49 am

Daniel89 wrote:
Tequila wrote:
Daniel89 wrote:
Will Americans really accept socialism? I think Americans value freedom unlike Europeans. Capitalism is what made America great I cannot see people wanting to give that up.


I love liberty and despise freedom.


The difference being?


Freedom means you can do whatever you want and sod others. Liberty means you have to not violate the rights of others.



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13 Jul 2018, 6:49 am

Tequila wrote:
Daniel89 wrote:
Tequila wrote:
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Will Americans really accept socialism? I think Americans value freedom unlike Europeans. Capitalism is what made America great I cannot see people wanting to give that up.


I love liberty and despise freedom.


The difference being?


Freedom means you can do whatever you want and sod others. Liberty means you have to not violate the rights of others.


I haven't heard that distinction before I still consider them the same thing.



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13 Jul 2018, 6:50 am

Freedom means you can do anything regardless of consequences.



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13 Jul 2018, 11:48 am

If the economy crashes or he gets tens of millions Americans killed in a nuclear war or the Dems nominate Oprah.


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13 Jul 2018, 3:44 pm

Daniel89 wrote:
Will Americans really accept socialism? I think Americans value freedom unlike Europeans. Capitalism is what made America great I cannot see people wanting to give that up.

Freedom to be slaves to giant corporations? Also, when you use the word “socialism” try and explain what you actually mean. Europe is hardly socialist by any reasonable definition of the word.

Also, if you really want to be more like Murika why don’t you morons give up your “socialist” medical system. I’m sure you’d be happy paying f*****g 30% of your income to some greedy ass for-profit insurance company and then still have to pay thousands in deductibles when something unfortunate happens. Or do you just moronically think you’re invincible and nothing bad will ever happen with your health?



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13 Jul 2018, 5:00 pm

Daniel89 wrote:
Will Americans really accept socialism? I think Americans value freedom unlike Europeans. Capitalism is what made America great I cannot see people wanting to give that up.


Thing is, since the left is MOSTLY minorities in the states - the left values freedom, the right only values being colonizers and oppressing everyone who isn’t a white/straight/cis/non-immigrant/non-disabled/Christian male.

If right wing actually stood for “freedom” - more minorities would vote Republican instead of Democrats basically having to be the tent party for ALL minority groups seeking refuge from Confederate ideology. If not for that ideology, more minorities would be voting for Republicans rather than staying away in mass.

Confederate ideology that the Republican party has been tied to ever since the 70s/80s is anything but freedom.

Hell, the Confederates are still angry that they lost their war to keep their slaves as seen in their odd devotion to the Confederate flag and yearning for another civil war. The ideology of these states (no offense to the sane people in these states) hasn't changed since the old days.



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13 Jul 2018, 11:52 pm

NoClearMind53 wrote:
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Will Americans really accept socialism? I think Americans value freedom unlike Europeans. Capitalism is what made America great I cannot see people wanting to give that up.

Freedom to be slaves to giant corporations? Also, when you use the word “socialism” try and explain what you actually mean. Europe is hardly socialist by any reasonable definition of the word.

Also, if you really want to be more like Murika why don’t you morons give up your “socialist” medical system. I’m sure you’d be happy paying f*****g 30% of your income to some greedy ass for-profit insurance company and then still have to pay thousands in deductibles when something unfortunate happens. Or do you just moronically think you’re invincible and nothing bad will ever happen with your health?


I didn't say Europe was socialist. Socialism is the means of production being owned socially either by the workers or the state. Democratic socialists of America want socialism, they want to abolish profit. You are not "slaves" to corporations, there is corruption of course but government taking over companies would give the corrupt elite an absolute monopoly.



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13 Jul 2018, 11:54 pm

Spooky_Mulder wrote:
Daniel89 wrote:
Will Americans really accept socialism? I think Americans value freedom unlike Europeans. Capitalism is what made America great I cannot see people wanting to give that up.


Thing is, since the left is MOSTLY minorities in the states - the left values freedom, the right only values being colonizers and oppressing everyone who isn’t a white/straight/cis/non-immigrant/non-disabled/Christian male.

If right wing actually stood for “freedom” - more minorities would vote Republican instead of Democrats basically having to be the tent party for ALL minority groups seeking refuge from Confederate ideology. If not for that ideology, more minorities would be voting for Republicans rather than staying away in mass.

Confederate ideology that the Republican party has been tied to ever since the 70s/80s is anything but freedom.

Hell, the Confederates are still angry that they lost their war to keep their slaves as seen in their odd devotion to the Confederate flag and yearning for another civil war. The ideology of these states (no offense to the sane people in these states) hasn't changed since the old days.


Wasn't it the republicans who freed the slaves?

I'm not American but what I see online is the left in America wants to take away free speech rights and property rights, and to discriminate people for not being a minority.