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22 Aug 2018, 9:03 pm

What are your philosophical views on life? Some believe that we are insignificant atoms in a huge universe, some believe we are each unique individuals that can have big impact, some believe in a mixture of both, and there's so many other views to it as well. What are your thoughts?

Personally, believe we are all individuals with a unique consciousness, and that each individual can have a big impact on this world by affecting the lives around them. One motto I have is "the universe is yours" (this was my motto before I knew about or watched Scarface, which says "The world is yours").

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Maybe I should've made the title "Philosophical Views on the Meaning of Life" but I feel that what I am talking about is a bit more shallow than that very deep subject.


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22 Aug 2018, 9:24 pm

As ASD people, we're likely slower to achieve our goals.

Often, I was depressed that other people were "getting ahead".

One time, seeing how depressed I was, my dad told me the story of "The Tortoise and the Hare".

It didn't register at the time, however, later, I thought it was great wisdom.
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22 Aug 2018, 9:49 pm

LoveNotHate wrote:
As ASD people, we're likely slower to achieve our goals.

Often, I was depressed that other people were "getting ahead".

One time, seeing how depressed I was, my dad told me the story of "The Tortoise and the Hare".

It didn't register at the time, however, later, I thought it was great wisdom.
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That is a good observation. When it comes to learning, I'm not slow, but when it comes to everything else (except sprinting and typing), I move at the pace of a tortoise. Takes me a long time to get chores done, to get ready, to travel, and assignments take longer too.

I feel like people just rush too much in general nowadays and that going at a slow pace is perhaps for the better. At least for me it helps keep my anxieties down.


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22 Aug 2018, 10:02 pm

I might start off by saying that I don't believe in free will, but that there is a game afoot where we feel compelled - almost infinitely - take accountability for the behaviors that we represent as agents. As a practical matter life can't really be another way.

At the same time there are things to learn. Technically with no free will you can't not learn, you can just learn smoothly or badly.

Still not sure where I stand on where consciousness came from. I'd either consider it to be primary or, if not primary in high quality and complexity at least something that sort of ages like wine into higher and higher qualitative states. I'm also pretty secure at this point in considering myself either a panpsychist, neutral monist, or at least something that considers the continuity of consciousness outside and beyond brain cells as a strong likelihood. I've been something of a practicing magician and mystic for at least five years now and I've experienced too many things that are better explained by the idea that we're swimming in overlapping, overarching, and hierarchically stacked arrangements of consciousness. In a way I can understand the pantheistic/panentheistic tendency, and the world seems to be loaded with people who can attest to meeting something like Plotinus's 'The Good' when they had cardiac arrest and their brains stopped functioning. I also find enough variance in those stories to say that while I do think they're clearly describing some level of reality I'm still not entirely persuaded that most of it isn't some variety of their own internal stratum, and if one really takes the Kabbalistic/Qabalistic emanationist view seriously that gets to be turtles all the way down because ultimately we all would be budding off of Adam Kadmon - so no clear answers available at a pedestrian level.

On meaning - there may be some, there may be none, but I tend to doubt absolute or theological meaning. Out of all the ideas circulating on teleology maybe the Hermetic Great Work or the stages of alchemy strike me as the most credible analogies to what the universe seems to be doing doing (it sort of rhymes with some of the Hindu ideas) but I do see enough slop, regression, and mass repetition of certain kinds of things that I think most of the refinement people go through is more accidental (ie. silver-lining pulled in) rather than anything omniscient having a close hand on it all. I'd also add - I think our goal as a race right now seems to be much more a) technological advancement and b) eventual removal of the need to work in order to survive, and that these seem to be even more front and center than any sort of spiritual plan (which IMHO tends to serve best when it's better cultivating your nervous system and mental sharpness to do the things you need to in life anyway).


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22 Aug 2018, 10:04 pm

Life is a race. Forget it at your own peril. Let others distract you from it, no matter their authority, at your own peril. Be too weak to resist their pressure to stop competing at your own peril.


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22 Aug 2018, 10:09 pm

Spiderpig wrote:
Life is a race. Forget it at your own peril. Let others distract you from it, no matter their authority, at your own peril. Be too weak to resist their pressure to stop competing at your own peril.

I'd agree with that as well.

A really horrifying thing has been watching the uber-coddled generation come up behind me and thinking 'So this is how they make human veal'.


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23 Aug 2018, 3:56 pm

SMiLes, it will take me at least 6 Million Words in Long Form Poetry for what I call A Bible
With 10K Miles of Public Dance in the Same Five years of Accomplishing that out oF A Box Feat
of Dance and Song of Life other wise known as "SonG oF mY SouL" as titled to give a fuller account
that will never end and always change as my Philosophical Views of Life are at Core All is Change Now
Is Change change is now for those who Go with Nature and do not Resist the Rivers of Change that are at
Core pArTs WHoLe as us as Ocean Waves GroWing more in other Words and Steps there is much for each and
Every Human to Evolve as Real all Natural Body and Mind Soul through one Life where even if that is all there is
now is the
Eternal
Now that
Always Counts
the Most as Now is
Best as Ever Changing
And the Truth is that is an ongoing Practice of Life; yes, what some Folks call, 'A Great Work of Life', and what
other Folks name as the 'Autotelic' Meaning of Life; as the Journey NoW iN complete Flow of Happiness where we
Come as Individuals and Groups to Imagine and Co-Create all in Life as Full of Meaning and Purpose Holy and
Sacred in an Actual Organic Flow of Mind and Body all Natural Soul in Balance as the Science of Psychology Now
and Neuro-Science Currently Respectively Name this State and Nation of Human Being in both Individual and Group
Effort when in synch like this now as 'Flow' and 'Transient Hypo-Frontality' no different really than Transcendental
Mediation that actually Works as 'Blow-out Breathe' of Nirvana in Bliss that actually Feels/Senses beyond Rainbow
Colors and Flavors of Heaven now in addition with Empirical Studies that suggest in the Study of Human
Performance that Measures of Creativity go up 400 to 500 Percent from Before when one reaches this
Laser Focus no longer stuck in the Newer Monkey Age of the Neo Cortex that spends most of
'the so-called time', Estimating Past and Future so far away from what's even 'more real'
now when all is Laser Focus and all Five Pleasurable Neurochemicals; And Neurohormones
too also Flow for a Cocktail and Synergy of Greater Creativity and Productivity Energy; and yes, greater
Social Cooperation too. And Yes, too, Eastern Philosophies have Observed and Created Metaphors for this
Ever Evolving State of Being in Terms of Satori and Nirvana and Bliss and Prana; Ki, Qi, Chi, and the Kingdom of Heaven
as a Nation of Being within where Folks do amazing Feats of Human Potential more than those Folks who fail to tap
into a more 'Autotelic' Way of Life where most all the Feeling and Sensing Rewards are Organically Generated and
Emotionally Regulated and Sensory Integrated Within in whatever Great Work of Life Works to maintain that Flow
of Heaven now; as yes 6 Million Words of Long Form Free Verse Poetry and 10K or so Miles of Public Dance keeps
me Both in Flow and for all Practical Intents and Purpose Fearless as Incarnate all Agape Love For all now. And
by God yes, when one stays in this State of Being always now even more now Synchronicities Occur as We Go
that are Naturally ever Generated More and all Naturally by a Life that becomes increasingly more Meaningful
and Purposeful as one Co-Creates This Way of Life with the Relative Free Will that can and will be empirically
Measured in Human Empirical Case studies too in Fresh Measure of Human Heaven too; as yes, in even more
of what one Feels and Senses Life as the Emotions and Senses of Holy and Sacred are Real where all is Meaning
And Purpose, all is Holy and Sacred and you don't have to Call it God as one Lives Real God now in realtime now
out of time
out of
distance
out of space
the Place within
as Incarnate Love
Always Evolving for even
Greater Colors and Flavors of Loving Life;
And these are just abstract constructs as symbols
We Co-Create Now; and Empty Shells of Word Salad for
those who cannot or will not seek and find and co-create tHeir Heaven that's Real they actually Feel and Sense.
My Heaven is Real And i carefully and empirically Measure the Results just in case someone thinks i'm pulling their legs
and i'm not serious when i suggest that Life is Best as Dance and Song Always Changing now for the Better; in other words, when that is reaLiTy all tHere is to look forward to is now and that's not only my Philosophy that's my Reality
NoW as i ProvE
iT
Is
ReaL NoW..:)


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23 Aug 2018, 7:46 pm

I'm a little confused at some parts, but I think I see what you're saying: humans are full of potential.

On a side note, if you don't mind me asking, why do you format your posts like that?


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23 Aug 2018, 7:59 pm

Indeed, humans are full of potential they naturally want to realize. That’s why we’re so horrifyingly creative when it comes to getting others to let their potential go to waste, while avoiding by any means the same fate for our own.


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23 Aug 2018, 9:25 pm

Everything is a fricking mess, for nothing is permanent but change.
Life itself is also a fricking mess, might be rarer than one would take granted for.
Said mess could be anything really -- it could be just atoms, or numbers, or certain patterns, or nothing at all.


Personally, I'd love life itself more than I'd ever hate the world.

I have two sides of this - one that is very human, that my own and other else's meant a thing, that there are responsibilities and lessons to learn, things to feel and experience and so on...
That life did meant a thing, that everything that every living being did meant a thing -- fate, luck, the curses and blessings, whatever.

And another side is that I don't believe nor disbelieve anything, that there are no such games and rules except patterns that nature keeps committing -- which includes that everything that subjectively mattered for a human as a living organism are but sensations received and given by the brain. That there are no such thing as right or wrong, success or failure, good or bad, but simply something that did.
That everything is just a pattern on a guise of coincidences, an illusion at best, or something too random than that.


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24 Aug 2018, 3:42 am

Hyeokgeose wrote:
I'm a little confused at some parts, but I think I see what you're saying: humans are full of potential.

On a side note, if you don't mind me asking, why do you format your posts like that?


No problem. It’s an Art That Helps Keep me in Flow like
Free Style Dance; in other
Words, A Real Heaven Within
as Science Assesses too for Whatever Keeps us in
A State oF Flow..:)


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25 Aug 2018, 1:58 pm

I see no meaning other than that wrought of our own pretenses. It just ongoes.

Process Philosophy is something I've been reflecting on recently, modifying, making my own.



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25 Aug 2018, 2:29 pm

la_fenkis wrote:
I see no meaning other than that wrought of our own pretenses. It just ongoes.

Process Philosophy is something I've been reflecting on recently, modifying, making my own.


Adrian David Nelson (Waking Cosmos) and Matt Segall (0thouartthat0) seem to have some pretty good vlogs on that.

There indeed might not be a teleology to find, the only thing offsetting a full likelihood in my mind of that is the sort of platonist/neoplatonist type experiences people have when they really dive off into meditation, psychedellics, or find themselves encountering their own mortality. What still amazes me about that is how poorly we've assimilated the sphere of human experience. We might really be so early to the party (we were largely unwashed, unlettered, even starving a few centuries ago) and simply be in strange times but to that end I think we're coming to a place where collective introspect will be really important. It's one of those places where I love seeing the greatest minds of the atheist and skeptic communities, as well as the greatest minds in the esoteric communities, and everyone between coming together to think about the same problems and communal sense making from slightly different angles.


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25 Aug 2018, 7:52 pm

There is no meaning 'out there' in the sense that physical objects are. The mistake the existentialists made was in assuming this sufficient reason to reject objective values as such. Values exist objectively, but with reference to our psychological nature.



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26 Aug 2018, 3:26 am

My philosophy is largely nihilistic, that all people can only create meaning but not ever inherit it from elsewhere. People are naturally desperate and weak, which is why they turn to the Gods and organised religion. People are born ignorant and malleable which is possibly the single greatest injustice.

Life after death has us scattered to the earth, and eventually the stars, like so much dust in the wind and stardust in the cosmos which will eventually see us reborn into another conscious being. Alternately, there is a permeating field of consciousness that acts as our self awareness as a network of collective minds.



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26 Aug 2018, 7:51 pm

hard determinism.