Science should be called Reality - Neil Tyson

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13 Oct 2018, 6:41 pm

He also says, "reality might be a (fake) simulation".
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So, science = fake ?


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13 Oct 2018, 7:19 pm

There's a lot that's swell about 2018, probably more technology than politics, but I wouldn't want it to get frozen here - otherwise science would cease to hypothesize and ultimately cease to be science. That's sort of what we do to it though if we make it an overarching political religion, it gets mucked up in accretions of deposit and dogma that have nothing to actually do with science or its results.

We have a knack for turning such Promethean inspirations to rubbish though.


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13 Oct 2018, 8:05 pm

The point of Science is that is gets repeatedly proved wrong, it isn't set in stone and knowledge grows.
This view of Science turns it into a religion, and a goofy one at that.


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13 Oct 2018, 11:51 pm

Arganger wrote:
The point of Science is that is gets repeatedly proved wrong, it isn't set in stone and knowledge grows.
This view of Science turns it into a religion, and a goofy one at that.


Yep. At its core, science is about testing to falsify. A poorly aged hypothesis that has been proven to be wrong can change the frontier of a particular discipline for example (eg. Darwin's discoveries vs. the current theory of evolution). To say science = reality conflates the process of scientific inquiry with "just is as it has been discovered" thinking.

And that's just stupid.



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14 Oct 2018, 4:44 am

Arganger wrote:
The point of Science is that is gets repeatedly proved wrong, it isn't set in stone and knowledge grows.
This view of Science turns it into a religion, and a goofy one at that.
Not really. Science is self correcting continually but always eventually gets it right. Science will always reflect reality and we will always become more enlightened by the actual truths of the matter, rather than the pseudo truths of anything beyond the realm of testable science.



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14 Oct 2018, 5:43 pm

Yes and no. Science is the pursuit of the truth through observation and testing, and people involved in doing it are well-versed in it and often study their particular niche thoroughly enough to have a PhD. Ergo, I facepalm everytime Conservatives try to argue against what the majority of scientists have to say, especially since most of them don't have any background in the subject matter and merely quote crackpot outlier studies to suit their agenda. Real science though, at least in reference to the hard sciences, is completely agenda free. If there is a bias, it's an improper study at best, and probably doesn't belong in an academic journal.

On the other hand, there is only so much knowledge we have gathered, and there are things that science hasn't explained yet, and may never be able to explain. The origin of the universe is one such example. Moreover, theories, no matter how well-reasoned they are, and how much evidence there is to support them, are still theories, and their findings are still only a matter of high likelihood.

That doesn't mean one should just try to discredit them when their findings are inconvenient for one's personal agenda, especially since it's highly doubtful an uneducated individual has the truth these scientists are missing, but it does mean that we don't know everything. The theory that science will eventually give us all the answer is still just a theory. Actually, I would downgrade it to just a hypothesis, as even top scientists agree that there is data that has long since been lost to time, especially in fields such as archaeology and astronomy, and there's no way to retrieve materials that no longer exist.

What that all means is, there's plenty of room for both science and religion, and plenty of room for all sorts of opinions about just about anything, so long as they don't clash with empirical truth. Just make sure you use that brain of yours when trying to discredit things people who know way more about a particular topic than you do have to say.



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15 Oct 2018, 9:50 am

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=auLBLk4ibAk

My, My, How 'Science', 'Religion', 'Philosophy', 'Politics' as RELIGION has evolved through the Ages from
A Bearded Man in the Sky now to the Potential of a Much More Advanced Pimply Faced Adolescent in a place
Far Far Away out of Time, Distance, and Space; and yes, for all practical intents and purposes 'No Matter' as in 'that
Video Game' in Holographic Simulation THAT 'Advanced Being' Creates; Whoever 'Presses' enough 'Force-up Buttons'
in an Exploration that Works in just one Game Play of Life gets to actually ascend, transcend, in an 'Autotelic' State
of Being when all the Connections of Good Feelings and Senses Light up like the 'Nature of' which is just another
Fancy Greek way of Saying 'Son of' that and or who Created us as is with the Intelligent Design of a Holographic
Simulation now that is as real and normal as our reality comes to be for now.

Now that's some Pretty 'Cool Fiction' that Neil deGrasse Tyson and Elon Musk and others suggest is now more
than Likely the Gospel Truth of Reality where Science, Religion, Philosophy, and Politics Become one Force
of Doing God and Heaven Business now.

Yeah, I watched the Complete Video where Neil deGrasse Tyson ignorantly suggested that Specifically
Science Should Be Called Reality; where perhaps one might catch that view from doing a speciality of
Astrophysics alone; missing the other Science of NeuroScience that now shows that all of Rationality
is preceded by and Driven by our older Evolutionary Brains in the Feel and Sense of the Limbic and
Reptile Brains; and not only that; for all practical intents and purposes those parts of our Mind in
Synergy do for all practical intents and purposes Hallucinate our Reality as we go that does
Provide an excellent 'reason' to do Science in Observing and repeating and confirming
what we can and will agree in Mutual and Consensual Agreement as best as Objective
as we can/will do, otherwise it is possible that one day we may have a New Supreme
Court Justice who lies straight Faced to Senators under oath that
a Devil's Triangle is A Drinking Game; and then not too long
after that; Have a President who on '60 Minutes' says
it doesn't matter if he Mocked A Victim of
Sexual Assault as all that matters
is 'his team' won. Jesus
F in Christ
that's Reality
now and just some proof
at least that if that Pimply Faced 'Supremer Being'
Adolescent in His Parent's Basement as some kind of a
'Supremer Being' who has much more 'Rational' Intelligence than
us in Creating now this Holographic Computer Simulation Video
Game as is; does seem to be a little twisted with sick Humor
in the Program some of the Actors are employed to do on
the Stage as such of this Incredibly Complex Video Game
that still works good enough for me to Exist in an
Autotelic Hypo-Transient Frontal Locality way
of Being that is Nirvana and Bliss and the
Kingdom of Heaven always really real
for me now; for i figured out the Game;
NoW and i am Killing every second
where NoW
is eternally
NoW as Heaven for me NoW.

Anyway, in 7 Days, like I usually do Every Week; I wrote around 30 Thousand
Words illustrated with around 400 photos to better explain and illustrate how
to Get to Heaven and Stay in Heaven now; as I am not too impressed with Neil deGrasse
Tyson's Version of God and others; for If I created the Video Game it would be more like
a Small
Group of
Bonobos
Living Free
with Mother Nature
and Considering the Creator
whoever and or whatever it is as
is really already did that; I guess
in someways at least they are NoW Pretty
Cool and yes; Thanks 'God', whoever and whatever
you are as is for leaving so many Helpful Hints in all Natural
Programmed Innate, Instinct and Intuitive Nature for me now
to Find Staycation Heaven now; and I really do appreciate all the
A-Causal Psychologically Meaningful Events and Connections as
that always makes 'you' seem more like a 'Personal God' to/as me for
most folks
dont'
get it
but me;
and just
a few folks do;
confirming that it's
really you/me as i continue
to hallucinate my reality like everyone else too;
as this is a very Complex Stimulation as the best
thing of all is it is impossible to figure ALL of it out now; which
just means Boredom never Happens and living forevernow in/as Heaven
is a Piece of
Cake
Just
Dripping
with more Icing
that never runs out now too.
And oh God of Nature Whatever Nature is Now; these thorns of the
Rose of Reality; just makes the Heaven feel/sense/fill that much better
as Intermittent Gratification is just Genius when we figure that part out
And Maximize
the Benefit
or Thorns
with the
Flowers
of our Rose now too.

Meh; the 'Reason' and 'Art' that most folks don't find Heaven and stay tHere now FOR REAL
is 'God' makes it more difficult in challenge to Power up in Force way of/in Light Force Heaven now;
in other words, 'God' has/is programmed the Tribal Instinct into this particular Version of A/the 'Matrix'
now where no; it is not just enough to take Just the Red Pill and/or Blue Pill alone; as one must Do a Green Pill
NoW iN Matrix-Super-Mix Fashion of Green Pill of/in a Mix of Arts and Sciences to get to just the 'Three Bear'
Combination' of Life now that Works for Heaven now; for it's True; if you try to use Poetry in Science Class
now they will kick you out; and if you try to use Science in Poetry Class that actually some people already do
with 'Faux Poetry' now in terms of Measuring Syllables and the Such as that; 'normally' you get kicked out
for 'Realistically' not being
Original Enough
for Your Art
to stand the
test of the ages
of not being replicated now;
or you get Kicked out of Science
Class for Doing anything truly original
for Science is all about replicating what is already
here in Observing it and Measuring it and Confirming
it in 'Objective' third party eyes'; yes, forget about being
Original when it comes to the 'Art' of Science now; true, unless
you have 'Art Balls', too; Like Einstein, and yes Neil deGrasse Tyson; as it is truly
Very Revolutionary to say more than likely we are living in an Intelligent Design now;
And Sure, Elon Musk too; but really let's use common sense/feel, we are not evolved to Live on Mars
After we Screw this place up; unless one really doesn't see the Beauty of a Sunset As Heaven NoW on EartH.

Anyway; it's A Hell oF A Lot of More in Heaven Than a Theory that everything comes from nothing; while that's
true too that
nothing
is
everything too.

Anyway, yes, to conserve space I've linked the rest of my Proof for God and Heaven; and yes, Synchronicities
too for those who are currently employing much more of their Human Potential Intelligences to catch the Riff
and the
Myth
and the
Reality of just
another 'Tom Sawyer', today now, too.

Oh by A Way; Nice to See you Pepe, again; for at Least you Acknowledge me As Human in These PArts..;)

But true; By God of WTF; it's so MUCH Fun Being a Real Tom Sawyer now; for it's true, not only did Whitman
And Nietzsche Predict the existence of me and others now too; yes; so did Mark Twain/'Rush' and as far as
Religion Goes; Jesus F in Christ that's a bit Strange; it's more like the SigNatures comes Before the
Daughters and or Sons in self-fulfilling Prophecies as Art Both Makes and Reflects Reality now
as
Science too;
Anyway, as 'they' say
(Throughout Art And
Science History Now Still)
'those' who have True Force
(LoVE) As Power stay rather under
Veils as they become too 'big' at/as least to See..;)

Oh yeah; and as far as Decoding Symbols and the Rest of Reality whatever Reality
Comes to Be NoW; it seems that Dan Brown also Predicted Folks like me too; heHe;
And as Far as Synchronicity; and the Art of that Science too; yes, "Celestine Vision"(s); yes, James Redfield
with his 'Twelfth Insight'(S) too. in other words; it's gonna take a whole lot more than a Twitter Snack to Explain a Dance of Love in Song Now Real; heHe FoR/as Me at least..;)

Or Perhaps, JusT A CERN Symbol of Shiva Will Suffice now too; and sure, in a way at least that's in the Link Below too..;)

While Most Folks in the World Today Say GO SHALLOW; i DO DEEP AND Shallow as this Green Pill is Heaven For/to me and God at least, now FOR REAL; Whatever The (A) F Hell And/Or Heaven That Means For From: You and to: me as ReaLiTY NoW.

So A (the) Question now is; really just a Rhetorical Question of CourSE oN CourSE; Do 'You' Wanna Keep Taking the Red And or Blue Pill now; or do you wanna Follow (really just Dance/Sing along side) me in the
Never Ending Rabbit
WHoles
of Just
Another Bugs
Bunny Green Meadow Heaven Pill NoW; or oh Lord, Sadly, just Another Deep South Dorothy in a Poppy Field; Yuck.

"I didn't come here to tell you how this is going to end. I came here to 'TALE' you how it's going to begin;"

But i WiLL ImProvE oN it; For That is What This Game Continues to Be All About FoR NoW, at least, to(o)/For mE.

https://katiemiafrederick.com/2018/10/1 ... l-for-now/

https://www.businessinsider.com/neil-de ... on-2016-12

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTL4qIIxg8A


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15 Oct 2018, 9:59 am

It's easy to see who understands science and who doesn't.



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15 Oct 2018, 10:20 am

^^^ and 666 in Lower Case for Inquiring Souls.
True; some folks don't understand
Science now; that Happens, even though
it is a Simple Few Step Antiquated Modern Method to
see stuff we already see; and some 'stuff' even more, now too.
True;
It's even easier to see; for those
who See 'it' at least; Those Who Don't Understand LiFE NoW as 'Soul'.

Science is Fun And Simple.
i Choose Life/Art/Soul/Love Best Now and Make Real Heaven NoW CAUSE
i can and will with the Help of REAL GOD AS IN ME as Real Agape Love incarnate now
in more
Colors than
i see before always now;
And Ha! i don't need any Humans Made Tools;
Not even a Small Antiquated Few Step Science tool; Just a Naked Beach as me;
A Dance Naked With No Words at all as Tool; butt Feeling And Sensing God all as in me as Love as no Tool.
My Cat Does it always now too; and all he understands is the Word Treat; Fitting i Do add for those in the Know of
Heaven Real; me and my Animal Friends mostly still; True, 'Saint Francis' had a clue about God and Heaven Nature True.


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15 Oct 2018, 11:02 am

Politics seems to have about the same effect on human intellect and objectivity as rohypnol. That's part of why I don't think it belongs in the lab.


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