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26 Dec 2018, 8:16 pm

These words are never used for supporters of gravity yet "evolutionist" and "Darwinist" are words commonly tossed at supporters of evolution.



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26 Dec 2018, 9:25 pm

That's true.

Go figure.



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26 Dec 2018, 9:53 pm

Boko Harum, the African terrorist group who kidnapped the girls in Nigeria, and are allied to ISIS and make AL Queda look like Gandhi don't believe in ….evaporation. They officially forbid teaching about evaporation. Forget about evolution. They don't even buy into this crazy stuff about the sun causing standing water to go into the air stuff that western scientists claim happens.

So...I guess according to them I would be "an evaporationist". :lol:

To me they would be...well they would be "depraved killers", but they would also be "evaporation deniers".



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27 Dec 2018, 5:55 am

NewTime wrote:
These words are never used for supporters of gravity yet "evolutionist" and "Darwinist" are words commonly tossed at supporters of evolution.


Gravity isn't insulting to people, while many reject evolution because it doesn't flatter them.



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27 Dec 2018, 8:25 am

Evolution is slow. Gravity is instantaneous. Let go of a ball and it will immediately fall to the ground.



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27 Dec 2018, 9:06 am

Back in 2016, there was a video making the rounds of a young woman in South Africa ranting against science.

Ah! Here it is! She says that "Science Must Fall!" because is a tool of European/Western/White colonialism, and it should be rebuilt from the ground up to include African magic ...



How many points of error can you count and name that this young woman commits? Example "Newton invented gravity".

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27 Dec 2018, 2:54 pm

HighLlama wrote:
NewTime wrote:
These words are never used for supporters of gravity yet "evolutionist" and "Darwinist" are words commonly tossed at supporters of evolution.


Gravity isn't insulting to people, while many reject evolution because it doesn't flatter them.


really? you're not offended by gravity? as in: you're not offended by space being curved? ... I am trying to accept it, and consciously I do, but on an intuitive level, I find it outrageous.

Just kidding - but to some extent it's the sentiment this woman in the video is expressing: modern science after all is a western invention, and until rather recently, it was blind to its own biases, while claiming to be universal (totalizing, as the woman puts it).
And of course, science has this problem of destroying belief systems upon which cultures and behaviours are based.
Western cultures have been struggling with this for centuries, and this woman is going through the same thing, except, western cultures for centuries have used science to take advantage of other peoples, so science didn't give them the same benefits, at the same time. So they are resentful.
and a bit stupid.

but there's reason to assume that science and the capitalist mode of rationalization and optimization will eventually create just one large undifferentiated global culture - something people who identify with their own culture are very afraid of.
But let's not kid ourselves: we westerners tend to love our cars like family members (at least, here in Germany, people do). But science tells us we can't burn gas in cars anymore, because we're poisoning ourselves in our cities, making our own children sick, and that's even without talking about climate change. And math gave us statistics, so we know that our cars are killing more people than islamic terrorism ever could do at any point.
Damn you science!


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27 Dec 2018, 3:20 pm

The "truth" of the existence of gravity is pretty much taken for granted; whereas the existence of evolution is still questioned by many.



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28 Dec 2018, 5:24 am

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The "truth" of the existence of gravity is pretty much taken for granted; whereas the existence of evolution is still questioned by many.


That's the point. Its NOT questioned on scientific grounds. Only because of religion.



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02 Jan 2019, 1:14 pm

I think a lot of it has to do with fear. I've never known anyone to admit to fearing gravity, but many people fear evolutionism or anything that conflicts with their other beliefs.

Most people (regardless of whether they are pro- or anti- evolutionist) live in the black and white spectrum of experience, and thus, in my opinion, go one of two ways with something they fear: they either completely refuse to acknowledge its existence at all (repress it) or they name it so that it can establish a solid benchmark for something that they feel they can then predict the behavior of in all situations- and in doing so, they fear the thing less than they did before. This 'predictability' is an illusion, of course, and so are the ensuing sense of superiority and feeling of control that one has over the thing that s/he has named.

If you think about it, naming and labeling things is big with most people, and to me, it all comes down to fear: they label themselves with something because they're afraid of being free spirits, and they label the things they dislike so that they can differentiate themselves from said undesirable things.

I call it 'naming the bear,' because supposedly, ancient cavemen would draw pictures of large game on the cave walls, look at it, shout the name of the thing, and then believe that they had power over the beast in the field, because its name was spoken (i.e., a thing can be controlled because it has a name).

* Edited once for a typo.


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02 Jan 2019, 2:14 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
The "truth" of the existence of gravity is pretty much taken for granted; whereas the existence of evolution is still questioned by many.


It's questioned on ideological grounds, not on its merits as an accurate model of reality (which is what a scientific theory is). Our present-day understanding of how evolution works is actually greater than our understanding of gravity, and people questioning whether evolution happens at all should be taken exactly as seriously as people questioning whether gravity happens at all. There are only so many times one can politely explain why monkeys still exist or why magic isn't a valid explanation before coming to the conclusion that the only productive response is ridicule.


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02 Jan 2019, 7:14 pm

It's absurd for anyone to claim to know what happened millions of years ago.

So Evolution is a mere scientificTheory, while Gravity is a scientific LAW.


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02 Jan 2019, 8:33 pm

LoveNotHate wrote:
It's absurd for anyone to claim to know what happened millions of years ago.

So Evolution is a mere scientificTheory, while Gravity is a scientific LAW.
Actually, our understanding of gravity is called "The Theory of Gravity". Look it up.

To ordinary people, a theory is just a guess.

To us STEM folk, a theory is the best possible description of what we understand about our observations and experiments until a more accurate description is determined. Yes, most of Science is based on "Theories", but not by the layperson's definition of the word.

For instance, you might guess where your husband is at any given time and maybe get it right -- "Oh, he's working late" you might say.

But if you can track his cell phone's "pings" (by observation), you may be able to determine his location within 50 feet or so of the nearest Hooters restaurant. This is your theory. The experimental evidence to support that theory would be to drive over to Hooters and catch him chatting up one of those cute little waitresses in their too-tight tee-shirts and dance shorts.

As for evolution, our current scientifically-defined theories actually predict future discoveries in paleontology and archeology. Creationism stops at what can best be described as largely apocryphal myths told by illiterate desert nomads during the Stone and Bronze ages.



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02 Jan 2019, 9:14 pm

Fnord wrote:
LoveNotHate wrote:
It's absurd for anyone to claim to know what happened millions of years ago.

So Evolution is a mere scientificTheory, while Gravity is a scientific LAW.
Actually, our understanding of gravity is called "The Theory of Gravity". Look it up.

The OP pointed out "gravitation" and "Newton" ...

"Newton's Three Laws of Motion and his Law of Gravity are probably the most famous of all physics".
https://van.physics.illinois.edu/qa/listing.php?id=281

Newton's law of universal gravitation
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newton%27 ... ravitation


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02 Jan 2019, 9:35 pm

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Yes, most of Science is based on "Theories", but not by the layperson's definition of the word.

I think logic is better than hypothesis.

Logic tells me, scientists don't know what happened millions of years ago.

So, that's it.

No need for people to make stuff up.

Sure, anything is possible, but we just don't know, so that's it.


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03 Jan 2019, 9:14 am

LoveNotHate wrote:
... Logic tells me, scientists don't know what happened millions of years ago...
1,000,000 BCE: DNA evidence in 2008 suggested that the black rat originated in South-East Asia about this time and then split into 6 lines, one of which colonized India and the Middle East and then spread to Europe. (Econ, 3/15/08, p.97)

1,000,000 BCE: The Jaramillo event occurred and serves as a paleomagnetic marker. In 1982 William Glen authored “The Road to Jaramillo: Critical Years of the Revolution in Earth Science.” The book's title comes from the Jaramillo magnetic event discovered in rocks from Jaramillo Creek in the Jemez Mountains in New Mexico. (PacDis., Spg. 96, p.46)(http://www.asa3.org/ASA/book_reviews/12-92.htm)

1,000,000 BCE: A homo erectus skull from Daka, Ethiopia, from this time was identified in 2001 as an ancestor to all modern humans. Tim D. White and Berhani Asfaw led the team that discovered the fossils in 1997. (SFC, 3/21/02, p.A1)

1,000,000 BCE: Homo erectus arrived in Java about this time. In 1891 Eugene Dubois, Dutch health officer, discovered the skull of a human in Java, Indonesia that he named Pithecanthropus erectus [Java Man]. The first Homo erectus skullcap was found near Trinil, Java. (NG, Oct. 1988, p.434)(RFH-MDHP, p.153)(SFC, 12/13/96, p.A4)(SFC, 11/14/00, p.A9)

1,000,000 BCE: A Grand Canyon lava dam created a lake larger than Lake Mead and Lake Powell combined. It extended from Toroweap Canyon back through Lake Powell to beyond Moab, Utah; a distance of more than 400 miles. (NH, 9/97, p.39)

1,000,000 BCE: The mean residence time for the water in Lake Vostok was one million years as compared to 6 years for Lake Ontario. Scientists in 1999 discovered living bacteria and theorized that the lake was warmed either by hot magma beneath the Earth's crust or by the downward pressure of ice. (SFC, 12/11/99, p.A2)(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Vostok)

1,000,000 BCE: The Haleakala volcano created the eastern half of Maui. (SFEC, 8/27/00, p.T8)

1,000,000 BCE: A star in the constellation Scorpius exploded in a super nova and evidence revealed in 1999 that a black hole was formed. (SFC, 9/9/99, p.A10)

1,000,000 BCE: In the last million or more years several continental glaciations have chilled much of the northern hemisphere and no small portion of the south. (DD-EVTT, p.281)

Your "logic" is badly flawed, and your Appeal to Incredulity is a blatant fallacy.