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30 Apr 2019, 7:19 am

white liberals find it difficult to reconcile the ideal of equality with embracing the minorities, who can be difficult at times in real life, in real life


https://psmag.com/ideas/the-dirty-truth ... ral-racism



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30 Apr 2019, 8:25 am

Is that ALL white liberals, or just the few white liberals whom the writers of the article cherry-picked to support their pre-determined conclusions?

What do you have against white people, anyway?



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30 Apr 2019, 8:57 am

Fnord wrote:
Is that ALL white liberals, or just the few white liberals whom the writers of the article cherry-picked to support their pre-determined conclusions?

What do you have against white people, anyway?



u want to get an honest stats before america becomes embroiled in a perpetual self-debilitating racial-civil cold war? .. when obama campaigned in 2008, 35% of hillary supporters switched to mccain ..



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30 Apr 2019, 9:01 am

ollychan wrote:
Fnord wrote:
Is that ALL white liberals, or just the few white liberals whom the writers of the article cherry-picked to support their pre-determined conclusions? What do you have against white people, anyway?
u want to get an honest stats before america becomes embroiled in a perpetual self-debilitating racial-civil cold war? .. when obama campaigned in 2008, 35% of hillary supporters switched to mccain ..
You are evading my questions.



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30 Apr 2019, 1:05 pm

A certain percentage of any group will be racist.Some don’t like white people either.


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30 Apr 2019, 3:43 pm

Fnord wrote:
ollychan wrote:
Fnord wrote:
Is that ALL white liberals, or just the few white liberals whom the writers of the article cherry-picked to support their pre-determined conclusions? What do you have against white people, anyway?
u want to get an honest stats before america becomes embroiled in a perpetual self-debilitating racial-civil cold war? .. when obama campaigned in 2008, 35% of hillary supporters switched to mccain ..
You are evading my questions.


u r evading the problems.



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30 Apr 2019, 4:02 pm

ollychan wrote:
Fnord wrote:
ollychan wrote:
Fnord wrote:
Is that ALL white liberals, or just the few white liberals whom the writers of the article cherry-picked to support their pre-determined conclusions? What do you have against white people, anyway?
u want to get an honest stats before america becomes embroiled in a perpetual self-debilitating racial-civil cold war? .. when obama campaigned in 2008, 35% of hillary supporters switched to mccain ..
You are evading my questions.
u r evading the problems.
Your evasion IS the problem.



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30 Apr 2019, 6:39 pm

Fnord wrote:
ollychan wrote:
Fnord wrote:
ollychan wrote:
Fnord wrote:
Is that ALL white liberals, or just the few white liberals whom the writers of the article cherry-picked to support their pre-determined conclusions? What do you have against white people, anyway?
u want to get an honest stats before america becomes embroiled in a perpetual self-debilitating racial-civil cold war? .. when obama campaigned in 2008, 35% of hillary supporters switched to mccain ..
You are evading my questions.
u r evading the problems.
Your evasion IS the problem.



if i have against white ppl, why would i vote for president McAfee - a white man ?


and btw in 2016 black ppl didnt vote for beyonce !

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30 Apr 2019, 10:58 pm

It's still liberals who had taken up the struggle for racial justice and equality, and it's still the Democratic party who the first black President belonged to. No way getting around that.
Also, it's the Republican party that has become a magnet for racist whites starting with the civil rights movement. It's the Republicans who have been supporting voter suppression and racial gerrymandering, not the Dems.


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01 May 2019, 12:35 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
It's still liberals who had taken up the struggle for racial justice and equality, and it's still the Democratic party who the first black President belonged to. No way getting around that.
Also, it's the Republican party that has become a magnet for racist whites starting with the civil rights movement. It's the Republicans who have been supporting voter suppression and racial gerrymandering, not the Dems.


in 2016 black ppl didnt vote for michelle !

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01 May 2019, 1:18 am

ollychan wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
It's still liberals who had taken up the struggle for racial justice and equality, and it's still the Democratic party who the first black President belonged to. No way getting around that.
Also, it's the Republican party that has become a magnet for racist whites starting with the civil rights movement. It's the Republicans who have been supporting voter suppression and racial gerrymandering, not the Dems.


in 2016 black ppl didnt vote for michelle !

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Uh, no... they voted for Michelle's husband. She wasn't running for anything.


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01 May 2019, 2:20 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
ollychan wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
It's still liberals who had taken up the struggle for racial justice and equality, and it's still the Democratic party who the first black President belonged to. No way getting around that.
Also, it's the Republican party that has become a magnet for racist whites starting with the civil rights movement. It's the Republicans who have been supporting voter suppression and racial gerrymandering, not the Dems.


in 2016 black ppl didnt vote for michelle !

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Uh, no... they voted for Michelle's husband. She wasn't running for anything.


He wasn't running in 2016.

Is it possible for the GOP to become the "Party of Lincoln" again?


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01 May 2019, 8:45 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
ollychan wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
It's still liberals who had taken up the struggle for racial justice and equality, and it's still the Democratic party who the first black President belonged to. No way getting around that.
Also, it's the Republican party that has become a magnet for racist whites starting with the civil rights movement. It's the Republicans who have been supporting voter suppression and racial gerrymandering, not the Dems.


in 2016 black ppl didnt vote for michelle !

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Uh, no... they voted for Michelle's husband. She wasn't running for anything.


They didnt vote for Obama ! !!
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01 May 2019, 10:20 am

Oh, crap, sorry! I somehow misread the date, 2016, over and over again! :oops:


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01 May 2019, 12:25 pm

ollychan wrote:
white liberals find it difficult to reconcile the ideal of equality with embracing the minorities, who can be difficult at times in real life, in real life


https://psmag.com/ideas/the-dirty-truth ... ral-racism

I can believe it. I don't think that the OP is trying to score a point against white people or liberals.



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01 May 2019, 12:57 pm

The article seems to be talking more about the democratic party, and privileged white liberals...I know the type they already have a nice house, maybe their parents are helping whatever so they try to vote 'good' but when it comes to things that they think could affect their 'comfort' they aren't so willing to jump on board. For instance I suspect some of those liberals in my state are against a bill that could make it onto the ballet, which will give homeless people the right to rest. Because sure they think homeless people need help, but if it means they might actually have to see homeless people 'resting' near their community they aren't so comfortable with it. But granted the people promoting this bill are also liberals, but not the same kind of liberals that would vote no.

The conclusion of the article states:
While many Trump supporters and other white conservatives who hold similar ideals will explicitly oppose efforts to make society more racially equal and inclusive, many white liberals show more implicit biases that can harm efforts to achieve these goals. This does not mean that both sides are equally guilty when it comes to stalling such efforts, but it means that many of the people ostensibly fighting for anti-racist policies have some introspection to do. An ally is only as useful as their investment in the cause.

And I agree with that conclusion.


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