If covid-19 was man made, what would be the motivation?

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07 Aug 2020, 7:44 pm

There is all this talk about whether or not the virus was man made, but no one seems to be talking about motivation. What would be the motive for inventing it?



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08 Aug 2020, 3:41 am

To kill off the elderly and the vulnerable so that the government can save money by removing these 'burdens', and turn every country into a dictatorship to take away everyone's freedom by making out that they are just doing it to save lives.


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08 Aug 2020, 3:46 am

The least dumb hypothesis on that idea I've seen is that it was made as a testing bed for various virus countermeasures.


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08 Aug 2020, 4:09 am

I don't know about other countries but here, in the U.S., it would be to eliminate all the sick and elderly so the government doesn't have to pay them benefits. All I hear on the news is "people are living longer" ; but it is said with disdain.



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08 Aug 2020, 1:25 pm

ironpony wrote:
There is all this talk about whether or not the virus was man made, but no one seems to be talking about motivation. What would be the motive for inventing it?


Two possibilities:

1. $. There’s a lot of $ to be made by certain corporations during a pandemic.. also, controlling entire economies of countries that don’t respond well to the pandemic gives some nations a very good competitive advantage - war without war.. and then there’s selling treatment medications and vaccines etc. Lots of $$$ reasons.

2. Population control. Sure, only a low % die right away.. but 3/4 have heart damage, others have kidney and liver damage, it might reduce life expectancy or affect fertility.

But in reality I do NOT believe this is a man made virus. I believe that stuff is conspiracy theory crap. I believe it legit came from bats - that are known for carrying crazy numbers of viruses and scientists have warned for decades that eating bats would eventually cause a zoological virus to leap to humans and cause a pandemic. And now here we are..


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08 Aug 2020, 5:02 pm

RightGalaxy wrote:
I don't know about other countries but here, in the U.S., it would be to eliminate all the sick and elderly so the government doesn't have to pay them benefits. All I hear on the news is "people are living longer" ; but it is said with disdain.


The problem is that it's not deadly enough to make a real dent, unless maybe if it were let loose entirely unrestricted. But then it would also kill a lot of young people, and doctors and nurses. An economic argument doesn't really make much sense unless it kills *a lot* more old people.

But it's also wrecking economies all over the world right now - so the idea that somehow killing off the small number of octogenarians would somehow justify a global recession is bs.

Then there's the "it profits the vaccine-producing companies". Well, yrah, if there was one. But right now there isn't a company in the world producing this.

And from there it goes into the surreal territory: it's Bill gates who wants to implant microchips into people via the vaccination shots (of course, there are no microchips that small, and if there were, they couldn't really do much because they're tiny. Also, how would you power such a microchip? Nanoscale batteries? Not a thing yet.)
And it gets wilder still: the microchips will be mind control chips, so Bill gates can control the world's population. Because he's the antichrist, and once the whole population follows the antichrist, the devil himself will appear.

So... Yeah, ... I guess if you're a religious conspiracy theorist, then you can come up with a reason to design a virus like that. The reason won't make much sense to sensible people, but who cares


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09 Aug 2020, 7:18 pm

Oh okay. Well some people do believe heavily in such conspiracies. I have a couple of friends believing that there is a cure for cancer, but the medical establishment does not want to get out because it means that they will loose money then, which seems pretty flimsy to me as far as conspiracy theories go.



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09 Aug 2020, 7:25 pm

ironpony wrote:
There is all this talk about whether or not the virus was man made... some people do believe heavily in such conspiracies.
First, the likelihood that the virus was man-made is vanishingly small.
ironpony wrote:
... I have a couple of friends believing that there is a cure for cancer, but the medical establishment does not want to get out because it means that they will loose money then, which seems pretty flimsy to me as far as conspiracy theories go.
Second, you need some new friends (get rid of the old ones).  Third, "Big ___(whatever)___" is always at fault for anything those people with too little education fail to understand -- no one ever seems satisfied with blaming stupidity or incompetence for whatever problem they may be having.



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09 Aug 2020, 7:30 pm

Making billions of dollars on the soon to be mandatory vaccine.



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09 Aug 2020, 7:35 pm

why did amuuurican gov't send that wuhan research lab $$$$$$$$? what did we pay for?



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09 Aug 2020, 7:55 pm

Where is there evidence that the US sent money to that lab?



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09 Aug 2020, 7:59 pm

ironpony wrote:
Where is there evidence that the US sent money to that lab?
Only in the minds of the conspiracy theorists.



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09 Aug 2020, 8:04 pm

the NIH granted the EcoHealth Alliance to distribute a total of 3.7 million buck$ to several international research organizations studying coronavirus transmission, Wuhan Virology Institute got $600k of that.



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09 Aug 2020, 8:11 pm

auntblabby wrote:
the NIH granted the EcoHealth Alliance to distribute a total of 3.7 million buck$ to several international research organizations studying coronavirus transmission, Wuhan Virology Institute got $600k of that.
EcoHealth Alliance is a global nonprofit leading scientific research into the critical connections between human, animal, and environmental health.

The NIH is no more responsible for what the EHA does with its money than any gift-giver is responsible for what any gift-receiver does with his gift -- ownership of a thing ends with the giving of that thing.

For example, were I to give you a bucket-full of five-pound notes, and you were to spend it all on hookers and heroin, I would not be responsible for your imminent overdose in any way, shape, or form.



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09 Aug 2020, 8:45 pm

The way I see it is that they produced it in the lab in China. No, they didn't want it to spread outside the lab. They just wanted to do some experiments *inside* the lab to study whatever they were trying to study (thats what labs are for, after all). But *accidentally* the virus got outside the lab resulting in the pandemics.

Actually, this happens to be the explanation I originally heard. So I used to assume its an "official" explanation rather than conspiracy theory. The fact that an offician explanation is something else and this is a conspiracy theory is something I have learned much later.

The thing about eating bats is something I learned very recently actually. And I am not sure how is it even possible. I mean the bats were there throughout centuries. So why didn't they pass the virus any time earlier?



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09 Aug 2020, 8:50 pm

The “bat” thing was there from the start.

It was originally speculated that bats passed it to pangolins, who passed it to humans. There was some evidence for this—but not absolute conclusive evidence.

I haven’t read anything serious in the Internet for months which hinted at a manmade origin for COVID.