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20 Dec 2019, 7:52 am

What did Trump hope to gain from asking the Ukraine to investigate Biden if it wasn't for his own political gain?

Not only can the Ukraine not prosecute Biden no matter what an investigation turned up, they can't even arrest him. The only country that can arrest Biden and put him on trial is the US and for that, we would have to do the investigation, not the Ukraine.

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20 Dec 2019, 8:16 am

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He promised to drain the swamp. How can he drain the swamp if he does not expose corruption? How else would we know for certain where corruption is ( democrats ) if it's not exposed? Nancy Pelosi's son is in on it, Hunter Biden, John Kerry's kid ( I believe, but don't quote me ). These are all Clinton/Obama era entrenched politicians.

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20 Dec 2019, 9:39 am

kokopelli wrote:

What did Trump hope to gain from asking the Ukraine to investigate Biden ...

1. Praise and worship from his adoring fans.

2. A simultaneous conversion of everyone else to his personal fanbase.

3. Someone else to blame -- a scapegoat -- for his own screw-ups.

4. A place in history alongside the Founding Fathers.

5. A Nobel Prize.

6. His face on the cover of Time Magazine as their "Person of the Year".

7. A Congressional Medal of Honor.

8. The crushing humiliation of everyone who has ever disagreed with him or insulted him.

9. Fame, glory, and acknowledgement as G-D's own "chosen one".

10. Much, much more ...

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20 Dec 2019, 9:47 am

Persephone29 wrote:

kokopelli wrote:

What did Trump hope to gain from asking the Ukraine to investigate Biden if it wasn't for his own political gain? Not only can the Ukraine not prosecute Biden no matter what an investigation turned up, they can't even arrest him. The only country that can arrest Biden and put him on trial is the US and for that, we would have to do the investigation, not the Ukraine.

He promised to drain the swamp. How can he drain the swamp if he does not expose corruption?

Then let him expose the alleged corruption legally, without blackmailing, bribing, or otherwise coercing a foreign government to do his dirty work for him.

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How else would we know for certain where corruption is if it's not exposed?

He could look in the mirror or at his own family portrait.

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Nancy Pelosi's son is in on it, Hunter Biden, John Kerry's kid ( I believe... )

Belief proves nothing.

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(... but don't quote me ).

Too late, I already did.

Persephone29 wrote:

These are all Clinton/Obama era entrenched politicians.

Irrelevant.

What is relevant is that Trump is no better than Clinton, and that Obama is better than the both of them.

Deal with it.

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20 Dec 2019, 9:59 am

kokopelli wrote:

I don't want to be a prick or a wanna be moderator,but is this news,where is the news story with either a link or the name of the newspaper or website this came from.

this belongs in PPR,when I post in this forum I get what I an posting from an news article and list the name of the newspaper or website so people can read the full story.

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20 Dec 2019, 10:01 am

Fnord nails it.

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20 Dec 2019, 10:01 am

Trump probably didn't NEED to importune Ukraine to investigate Biden. Sort of an "overkill" sort of situation.

It's not the job of the United States to investigate corruption in countries other than the United States.

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20 Dec 2019, 10:20 am

blazingstar wrote:

Fnord nails it.

Well ... that's what I do. Now I'm waiting for the inevitable pro-Trump cancel culture to strike back.

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20 Dec 2019, 11:11 am

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Then let him expose the alleged corruption legally, without blackmailing, bribing, or otherwise coercing a foreign government to do his dirty work for him.]

There's no evidence of that, and president Zelensky denied he was coerced.

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20 Dec 2019, 11:17 am

kokopelli wrote:

What did Trump hope to gain from asking the Ukraine to investigate Biden if it wasn't for his own political gain?

Trump "shoots from the hip".

"shoot from the hip" idiom:
To speak or act rashly, recklessly, or bluntly, without consideration of potential consequences.

People like that about him.

-He's not PC.
-He's not polished.
-He does what he thinks is right.

A quick, rash shot.

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20 Dec 2019, 11:27 am

Trump shoots from the LIP. not from the hip!

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20 Dec 2019, 1:49 pm

Persephone29 wrote:

kokopelli wrote:

The Ukraine is one of the more corrupt countries in the world, especially in their justice system where justice is often for sale to the highest bidder.

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20 Dec 2019, 1:51 pm

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kokopelli wrote:

This is "News and Current Events". If this isn't a current event, then what is a current event?

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20 Dec 2019, 1:54 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:

It is very possible that it wasn't even a crime in the Ukraine, but is in the US. There are a number of things that one can do overseas that may not be a crime in that country, but you can be prosecuted for it in the US.

And if there is a crime, we can put him on trial whereas the Ukrainians can't.

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20 Dec 2019, 1:55 pm

Fnord wrote:

Trump shoots from the LIP. not from the hip!

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20 Dec 2019, 3:09 pm

There are many really nasty people who are "not PC." I can name quite a few right off the top of my head.

I don't value a person, necessarily, based on the fact that he/she is "not PC."

I'm not PC. I hate "political correctness." But Trump is not someone I'm necessarily delighted with.

I just hope this impeachment thing doesn't backfire, and make Trump into some sort of martyr.

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