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Will antichrist celebrate Christmas?
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22 Dec 2019, 10:57 pm

Personally I think he will. Antichrist will be an epitome of a pop culture and Christmas is very much part of it. What a slap on the face would it be when antichrist's followers will welcome Jesus with all their gingle bells only for Jesus to destroy them. Maybe that slap on their face will be part of their punishment?



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23 Dec 2019, 1:10 am

Is this for real?

Also, you said he, how do you know the antichrist is not a woman? And do we think Jesus will use his laser eyes to destroy the followers of the antichrist?


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23 Dec 2019, 2:13 am

Bradleigh wrote:
Is this for real?


I am a Christian, so yes.

Bradleigh wrote:
Also, you said he, how do you know the antichrist is not a woman?


The Bible refers to antichrist as "he" thats how I know it will be a man. So when some people said Hillary was the antichrist I knew they were wrong because of this very thing.

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And do we think Jesus will use his laser eyes to destroy the followers of the antichrist?


The Bible says Jesus will destroy antichrist with the "breadth of his mouth and the brightness of his coming". So you are actually getting quite close.



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23 Dec 2019, 3:33 am

The Antichrist, or the Beast, was according to the most responsible Christian theologians, the Roman Emperor Nero. Seriously, the book of Revelations is the most misinterpreted book in the Bible, as it was mostly about things that had happened, and not so much about will happen. In fact, the fathers of the Protestant Reformation, Martin Luther and John Calvin, thought the book should never have been canonized.


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23 Dec 2019, 3:38 am

I suppose Antichrist should celebrate Antichristmas.

The sentence above is open to interpretations.


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23 Dec 2019, 3:42 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
The Antichrist, or the Beast, was according to the most responsible Christian theologians, the Roman Emperor Nero.


I heard of this view, its called Preterism. The problem with this is that, according to Revelation, after antichrist is gone, there should be new heaven and new earth. It didn't happen yet, which is the ultimate proof why nobody in the distant past is the antichrist. I guess Preterists might argue that Catholic church is new heaven and new earth, but that doesn't fit the bill because the Bible says its basically a utopia where all sin is totally gone. So Catholic age doesn't fit this desciption.

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In fact, the fathers of the Protestant Reformation, Martin Luther and John Calvin, thought the book should never have been canonized.


I thought Martin Luther was saying Pope is the antichrist -- which proved that he believed in the book of Revelation?

Now, I am not saying I agree in his assessment of who antichrist is. What I am saying is that if he claims *anybody* to be antichrist (regardless of who that happens to be), that means that he believes in the book of Revelation. Yet you say he didn't. So how can this fit together?



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23 Dec 2019, 3:52 am

QFT wrote:
The Bible refers to antichrist as "he" thats how I know it will be a man.

Perhaps the Bible made a mistake regarding the sex of the Antichrist.


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23 Dec 2019, 3:55 am

QFT wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
The Antichrist, or the Beast, was according to the most responsible Christian theologians, the Roman Emperor Nero.


I heard of this view, its called Preterism. The problem with this is that, according to Revelation, after antichrist is gone, there should be new heaven and new earth. It didn't happen yet, which is the ultimate proof why nobody in the distant past is the antichrist. I guess Preterists might argue that Catholic church is new heaven and new earth, but that doesn't fit the bill because the Bible says its basically a utopia where all sin is totally gone. So Catholic age doesn't fit this desciption.

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In fact, the fathers of the Protestant Reformation, Martin Luther and John Calvin, thought the book should never have been canonized.


I thought Martin Luther was saying Pope is the antichrist -- which proved that he believed in the book of Revelation?

Now, I am not saying I agree in his assessment of who antichrist is. What I am saying is that if he claims *anybody* to be antichrist (regardless of who that happens to be), that means that he believes in the book of Revelation. Yet you say he didn't. So how can this fit together?


Luther called the Popes of his day Antichrist, not "the Antichrist." We Lutherans believe anyone opposed to Christ or tries to put himself in place of Christ is Antichrist.
We Lutherans are Amillennialists - that is seeing the thousand years as the indeterminate time between Christ's ascension and his return rather than the time period after the return. While we believe most of Revelations has already occurred we are not Preterists. The Kingdom of Christ are all true believers united in their faith in Christ, or the Invisible Church in the here and now.


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23 Dec 2019, 3:57 am

Christmas is a celebration of the birth of Jesus Christ.

If the AntiChrist is celebrating Christmas, maybe he, or whoever, is not so much against Christ as he, or whoever, claims to be.



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23 Dec 2019, 4:03 am

kraftiekortie wrote:
Christmas is a celebration of the birth of Jesus Christ.

If the AntiChrist is celebrating Christmas, maybe he, or whoever, is not so much against Christ as he, or whoever, claims to be.


The word "anti" has two meanings: "against" and "in place of". Some speculate that maybe in case of antichrist it means "in place of". Antichrist will claim to be Jesus. So since he claims to be Jesus he must claim Jesus is a good guy since he wants himself to be the good guy. But Jesus wouldn't like it since he isn't really Jesus.



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23 Dec 2019, 4:06 am

I don’t think this is occurring, personally.

I’m not a great lover of Christmas....but don’t blow it for those who love Christmas.

Nobody is going to get a slap on the face for bringing joy to little children or the homeless during the Christmas season.



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23 Dec 2019, 4:11 am

RetroGamer87 wrote:
QFT wrote:
The Bible refers to antichrist as "he" thats how I know it will be a man.

Perhaps the Bible made a mistake regarding the sex of the Antichrist.

Issue is that once you accept the fallibility of the Bible then you have no reason to believe in the Antichrist at all.



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23 Dec 2019, 4:12 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
We Lutherans are Amillennialists - that is seeing the thousand years as the indeterminate time between Christ's ascension and his return rather than the time period after the return.


I didn't know that Lutherans are different from other Protestants in such a drastic way. So do Lutherans believe in the book of Revelation? If not, then are there any other books in the Bible that Lutherans exclude from their canon?

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While we believe most of Revelations has already occurred we are not Preterists.


Since you said "Revelation has already occurred" it means you *do* believe Revelation should be part of the Bible? Even if we disagree in the timing *when* it should occur, it has to be true book in order to occur at any time at all.

So are you saying Luther was wrong in trying to exclude it?

Also in what sense are you not Preterists?

And if you say most Revelation has already occurred, the question is when? I heard somebody tell me it occurred during Christs life. That can't be the case since John wrote Revelation in future tense -- it was already after Christ died and was resurrected. But what about yourself what time frame would you place it into?

And what about locusts and stars falling and all that? Are you saying it all took place in first century?

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The Kingdom of Christ are all true believers united in their faith in Christ, or the Invisible Church in the here and now.


But do you believe there will come a future time when there will be no more death? I know Baptists believe it, but are you saying Lutherans don't?



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23 Dec 2019, 4:16 am

kraftiekortie wrote:
I don’t think this is occurring, personally.

I’m not a great lover of Christmas....but don’t blow it for those who love Christmas.

Nobody is going to get a slap on the face for bringing joy to little children or the homeless during the Christmas season.


I didn't say they will be punished for celebrating Christmas, I said they will be punished despite it. Quite frankly I don't think Jesus cares whether you celebrate Christmas or not, since Bible doesn't say to do it or not to. However Jesus has plenty of issues against todays society (sexual immorality and greed and all that other stuff -- plus of course mark of the beast, whatever it happens to be). Yet, despite the fact that Jesus views antichrists followers as His enemies, they would still celebrate Chrstmas since they aren't aware of it. And that would be their ultimate slap on their face. They would be greeting Jesus with all their Christmas carols but Jesus would be like "nope, not buying it, you are my enemies".



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23 Dec 2019, 4:23 am

Suppose this is not actually happening?

Is that a choice in your mind?

There is too much consumerism within the Christmas season—but this is caused solely by the excesses of Humanity, I believe.



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23 Dec 2019, 4:53 am

As it stands, most scholars say that Jesus was not even born in the Christmas period, but the tradition of Christmas is based around the winter solstice, which were pagan festivals, the trees themselves are a hold over from the pagan roots. If we connect the "antichrist" to devil, and in turn connect a lot of depictions figures like Cernunnos or similar Horned Gods, I think that Cernunnos is actually meant to be reborn in the winter solstice. So yeah, the antichrist probably would celibrate Christmas, and in fact would have a closer connection to the festival over Christ.

Yeah, the period of time celebrating the birth of Christ is more connected to the Horned God.


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