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09 Feb 2020, 3:44 pm

If reincarnation is possible, then why would it be dependent on space-time? I mean, why would we reincarnate only in a future life? And if not, if we can also reincarnate in a life at a time before the one we left, does that mean that we are all actually the same person in different bodies?

To be a unique being, in an infinite number of bodies, each with its own free will, I believe that this is what we call Man.

So, if Man is us, me and you, why do we continue to pretend that we only have one life? Because if there is reincarnation, but all possible and imaginable lives have been and will be lived with the sufferings and joys that come with it, why not decide NOW not to continue the hell on Earth? I don’t know about you, but for me, this idea that we are ONE in this game, explains very well this story of the wheel of karma.

There are those who can understand what I am writing here, and there are those who do not. In between there are those who are uncertain, who oscillate, or who resist. But the idea must make its way. You are not alone, you have never been alone. Man’s strength is to be able to reinvent himself. Leave the scavengers their only source of energy. Be unique, yet be many.



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09 Feb 2020, 4:07 pm

I don't believe in reincarnation in any meaningful sense, but I follow your logic and agree with your destination.



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09 Feb 2020, 7:42 pm

For any sort of meaningful answer as to why a thing such as reincarnation would only propagate forward it would take us understanding what causes time to propagate forward in the same life or even the same day and I don't think we're anywhere close to knowing that yet (we could break that one this century but who knows).

As far as reincarnation goes there are clearly some groups of people who'd argue that we do bounce back and forth across time and I don't necessarily know where they're getting that one from - ie. if it's just from a conviction that time is an illusion or if they actually have data which would suggest that (if it's just a philosophic point it's less interesting). Getting into Ian Stevenson's work, and a recent panel discussing it (Youtube - Is There Life After Death? moderated by John Cleese - 2018 Tom Tom Festival), it sounds like this is getting looked at much like a natural process where it's not governed by a religious ethos, traumatic damage to the body at death leads to disfigurements in a next life, so the idea of karma doesn't really apply well, and for as many places as I've heard Ian's work mentioned I don't think I've ever heard about jogs forward and backward in time. Perhaps if anything that just tells us the depth of the symmetries that generate the forward motion we experience.

As far as philosophic explanations for what this is (ie. backdrop context for reincarnation) - I think Jean Dubuis covered the 'alchemical great work' version of the story that tends to be popular among Masonic, Rosicrucian, and Martinist circles, ie. that we're getting put through a long-form industrial process and my own observation of what this seems like, it's less a pre-meditated teleology and something more like what Shopenhauer's will or the process philosophy people (riffing de Chardin and Whitehead) would argue to be the universe becoming.

It's really tough to get very far into this on speculation. I enjoy as much existentialist and pessimist literature and thinking as I do the mystical and if science has showed us anything over and beyond it's ability to pick the relatively low-hanging fruit in physics it's that findings of rigorous experiment will quite often void our intuitions. We're dealing with a universe for which the main operating system is probably something so orthogonal to human imagination, for the obvious reason that it has no direct relationship to what we need to know in order to survive, that it takes very odd and rare people to even be able to engage with such thinking even a little bit successfully.


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09 Feb 2020, 7:47 pm

techstepgenr8tion wrote:
We're dealing with a universe for which the main operating system is probably something so orthogonal to human imagination, for the obvious reason that it has no direct relationship to what we need to know in order to survive, that it takes very odd and rare people to even be able to engage with such thinking even a little bit successfully.


This is golden. ^ Thanks for posting.


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09 Feb 2020, 11:33 pm

well..if you could reincarnate BACK ward in time, and be reborn as someone in the past (as well reincarnate in the future)then it stands to reason that you could also reincarnate sideways and "become" another person living at the same time as yourself. An American could reincarnate as a person in China, or a person down the street, who was born the same day you were and is living in the same time line as you. You could meet yourself. And if so then you could reincarnate as infinite numbers of other folks living at the same time as you. And just make Xerox copies of yourself by the millions.