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In your opinion, political polarisation is
A good thing 6%  6%  [ 1 ]
A neurtal thing 19%  19%  [ 3 ]
A bad thing 63%  63%  [ 10 ]
I don't know / other 13%  13%  [ 2 ]
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27 Jul 2020, 9:22 am

What are your views on phenomenon of political polarisation?


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27 Jul 2020, 9:26 am

() Other: Sometimes good, sometimes bad, mostly neutral.

It all depends on the circumstances and on which side of the discussion a person may be.



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27 Jul 2020, 9:34 am

Fnord wrote:
() Other: Sometimes good, sometimes bad, mostly neutral.

It all depends on the circumstances and on which side of the discussion a person may be.

I can understand it depends on circumstances but what do you mean by "which side of the discussion a person may be"? Do you mean that it advantages some and disadvantages others?


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27 Jul 2020, 9:35 am

People need to get back to other interests.

I was similarly annoyed when sociology terms started leaking into the mainstream. People are now always saying incorrect, ignorant things about concepts that regular people should not have even heard of. I can’t tell you how many times I have heard the term “cognitive dissonance” incorrectly used. Or generational cohorts. We won’t even go into people pretending to know what Marxism is. It’s like people saying they are “Fordists” or “G.H. Meadists”.



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27 Jul 2020, 9:40 am

magz wrote:
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() Other: Sometimes good, sometimes bad, mostly neutral.  It all depends on the circumstances and on which side of the discussion a person may be.
I can understand it depends on circumstances but what do you mean by "which side of the discussion a person may be"? Do you mean that it advantages some and disadvantages others?
A person can present a polite, well-reasoned, and factual argument for a certain point of view, only to be dismissed for being a member of the party that is out of current favor (e.g., "One of them").  Later, when the same argument is re-introduced by the party in favor, the idea is embraced, carried forward, and put into law.



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27 Jul 2020, 9:44 am

SocOfAutism wrote:
... I was similarly annoyed when sociology terms started leaking into the mainstream. People are now always saying incorrect, ignorant things about concepts that regular people should not have even heard of...
So ... should "regular" people be kept ignorant of your profession?  Or would it be better for you to educate those people as to the correct meanings and uses of "your" professional terms?



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27 Jul 2020, 11:21 am

Political polarization is inevitable.

The methods used to emphasize that polarization are sometimes bad.

A strong nation will withstand those who don’t necessarily agree with every aspect of its government. A strong nation encourages a free exchange of ideas.

Trump’s inability to listen to all but his own input is a flagrant weakness which is jeopardizing our prestige around the world. It’s making the US seem weak.



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27 Jul 2020, 12:04 pm

I believe it's going to hit a peak point and then people are going to start killing each other over dissenting political beliefs. Sociopolitical genocide.


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27 Jul 2020, 12:07 pm

I believe it will hit a peak point...then everyone will get tired of the BS.



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27 Jul 2020, 12:08 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
I believe it will hit a peak point...then everyone will get tired of the BS.

I've always interpreted you as an optimist :)


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27 Jul 2020, 12:22 pm

Fnord wrote:
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... I was similarly annoyed when sociology terms started leaking into the mainstream. People are now always saying incorrect, ignorant things about concepts that regular people should not have even heard of...
So ... should "regular" people be kept ignorant of your profession?  Or would it be better for you to educate those people as to the correct meanings and uses of "your" professional terms?
If I misuse professional terms or hold misconceptions about concepts from outside my field, I want to be corrected.


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27 Jul 2020, 12:26 pm

magz wrote:
Fnord wrote:
SocOfAutism wrote:
... I was similarly annoyed when sociology terms started leaking into the mainstream. People are now always saying incorrect, ignorant things about concepts that regular people should not have even heard of...
So ... should "regular" people be kept ignorant of your profession?  Or would it be better for you to educate those people as to the correct meanings and uses of "your" professional terms?
If I misuse professional terms or hold misconceptions about concepts from outside my field, I want to be corrected.
Same here.  The misuse of words should not be grounds for preventing them from being "leaked to the general public.



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27 Jul 2020, 12:57 pm

Neutral.

Just like species evolve, so do societies. Problems arise when societies split, but remain bonded under a single governmental system. Both sides then think they have a right to the whole thing and that the other side must be removed.



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28 Jul 2020, 5:30 am

The American BLM discussion - and, closer to me, Polish LGBT discussion - make me really depressed. It's like everyone have watched too many superhero movies and started to believe the other side is a villain who has to be destroyed.
In my opinion, LGBTQ and conservatist Catholics are perfectly capable of living in - well, not a harmony but a civil disagreement. That's the way it was just a few years ago - but now our <censored> ruling party started to encourage these "LGBT-free zones" - imagine you're gay living in such a zone, how would you feel? No wonder the other side gets more and more angry - so the call against them gains momentum :/

Yeah, I put more responsibility on whoever is in power, in both conflicts. Leaders are in charge of keeping the societes peaceful, feeding hate for the sake of gaining votes is one of possible illnesses of democracy. A very serious illness.


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28 Jul 2020, 8:38 am

magz wrote:
The American BLM discussion - and, closer to me, Polish LGBT discussion - make me really depressed. It's like everyone have watched too many superhero movies and started to believe the other side is a villain who has to be destroyed...
I think it may have come from America's more "Puritan" past when people were more inclined to believe in eternal damnation for sinners, and that being "different" was a sin.

Seriously.

I knew people in my childhood who would say things like "They're not like us, so they're going to Hell".  I don't know if they meant it literally or not, but it always seemed to be addressed toward "hippies", feminists, and civil-rights workers.



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28 Jul 2020, 9:54 am

To me, polarization seems to mean that everyone is at one end or the other on an issue and the huge mass of (in the case of my country) American good sense in the middle no longer is strong enough to buffer the extremes. If I may use a chemical analogy.

I could be really wrong here, but my sense of when this all started in the US was with the rise of the Tea Party. The Tea Party decided that their candidates would be "no compromise" candidates. They made negotiating and compromise dirty. Not saying there wasn't/isn't any dirt in politics, but the 100% certified whatever you are certainly seems to rule the day in these times. No tolerance for thoughtful discourse or consideration.


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