How to Pull Someone Out of the Alt-Right

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I thought that this video was really good in having a path to pull people close to you out of irrational beliefs such as those in the alt-right. Things like having to get them to admit at the start that that they care about your opinion, finding out where they are learning about what they are believing, and finding why it is that they are going in that direction. That apparently asking a person who hurt them can leave a mark in figuring out the type of individual that might have coloured their opinions, that the actual problems they had can be addressed without acting like you are dismissing their experiences.

unfortunately the bulk of them can learn only when reality hits them in particular, individually, hard and unceasingly. they can't be made to care until it hurts them personally. and even then, that is iffy. that is part and parcel of dissocial subset ASPD, according to a psych prof i had.

even that is iffy

First we need to figure out how to pull people out of the alt left, currently alt left seems to be sucking in everyone on the left. It’s concerning.

I can find a Wikipedia article on the alt-right, but I can't find one on the alt-left, other than a mention within the article on the alt-right where it mentions that the word was only created to try and create an equivalence to the alt-right, a "both sides" sort of thing. It says on the article that it criticises it as term that was not created by nor adopted by those on the supposed progressive movement that it supposedly relates to, and that there is nothing analogous on the left to the right.

Why do you think that this supposed "alt-left" is something more pressing than pulling people out of the alt-right that includes the likes of neo-Nazis?

First, we need to pull those people's heads out of their...

The far right is commonly a Socialist group.

It's seductive because Socialism teaches you to "blame others for your problems".

I don't think the far right is socialism, the closest I have seen are some that want something like government mandated girlfriends because they can't get any themselves. Usually there is some sort of social Darwinism where the far right thinks that social rules limit people in being too sensitive, so society would just be amazing if they would be allowed to do or say what others think is offensive and would make everyone alphas or something. They blame those rules for their problems.

Economically they want release the restraints of things like regulation and providing socialist support to those that need it like the disabled and such, the "cucks", and cling to phrases like the power of the free market. Things unrestrained by regulation that is put in place to help people for morality reasons. All of this regardless of the fact of if they would actually benefit from removing regulations economically or socially, since they would rather blame those things of making them a victim rather than realise that they could possibly be the next group oppressed by their fascist masters that need the next group to blame for things not being perfect.

Personally, I'd prefer to find a way to knock some sense in to both far right and far left at the same time so that the one that lasts longer won't attack the reasonable ones from the opposite side.

So that's the Vaush I've been hearing about.

Interesting idea to approach someone and tell them you disagree with their views, then ask them to come to you when they're ready to talk, so their mind will be open.

I didn't like the part about messing someone up for life by asking who hurt them. To what end? Just to mess them up? Mess them up some more after that other person messed them up?

Yes, the difference is alt-right was created by people who identify themselves as alt-right, while alt-left was not. Alt-right, together with far right, seems to have become a label that gets slapped on anyone these days who is right of the slapper. I'd all but forgotten that alt-right is it's own thing with a specific definition, the label-slapping is that prevalent these days.

Far right is always nationalist, and almost certainly a variety of Socialism.

Because far right nationalists want to *nationalize parts of the economy* (socialize resources) to benefit their group.

Often their names will have "Worker's Party", or "Labor Party" or even have the word "Socialists" like NAZI.

Choose the middle path.
That’s what the wiseman said.

The word Nazi might have come from the word for socialist, but the Nazi as we know them were not. The ones that we know as taking power actually invaded the party for optics reasons while still being against the "Left", specifically so they could seem to appeal to the worker class, but very much being against "social democrats" and communist parties, socialists specifically were purged from civil service along with "democrats" and Jews.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2020/02/05/right-needs-stop-falsely-claiming-that-nazis-were-socialists/

https://www.britannica.com/story/were-the-nazis-socialists

Please provide evidence that these far right movements were actually socialist, more than something shallow like technically in the name.

The goal of every Socialist is take resources from one person and give it to another.

Hitler promised and delivered on taking resources away from Jewish people.

Hitler promised and delivered on nationalizing companies.

This why people fear Socialism, because people like Hitler, Chavez, Castro target people, take their resources, through confiscation and nationalization.

As I said earlier, they do this by blaming other people. Hitler blamed Jewish people, Chavez and Catro blames rich people , business owners, foreign entities.

I've never heard the term "cuck" used to refer to the disabled. Where have you seen this?

The goal of a socialist is to take resources from people who don't need it and give it to those who do so everyone has what they need to live.

Nazis actually privatised industries after they had been placed under state control following the depression.
"The Nazi government took the stance that enterprises should be in private hands wherever possible."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Nazi_Germany#Privatization_and_business_ties

Your facts could not be any more wrong. Where did you hear that Hitler and Nazis were for state owned control of businesses. "The Nazis were hostile to the idea of social welfare in principle, upholding instead the Social Darwinist concept that the weak and feeble should perish."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Nazi_Germany#Social_policies

Please supply actual evidence instead of just what your interpretation is of your idea of a Nazi.