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18 Aug 2020, 2:05 pm

It is now a fact that Kamala Harris is Joe Biden's VP pick and Biden has made a big deal about picking a black woman as his running mate.

She is not only NOT a descendent of slaves but a distant ancestor, Hamilton Brown was a slave owner in Jamaica in the 1800's.

All that gave her family the prominence and gave Kamala the opportunities to become successful and a senator came from slavery and slave labor.

I guess the left wing spiel is all a lie,to them "black lives don't matter" and I think we know the truth about the Biden/Harris 2020 ticket.

Forbes magazine has an article on this


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18 Aug 2020, 2:09 pm

Are you really trying to pretend that because she isn't the descendent of slaves that she isn't black? This is shameful VS, you can be better than this.


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18 Aug 2020, 2:12 pm

No it is NOT "shameful". Kudos to the aptly-named vermontsavant.

Kamala Harris, and Barack Obama, are people whose families never felt the sting of American Slavery, whom are peddled to American Blacks as leaders. Essentially privileged foreigners forming an elite controlled leadership caste, which dark skinned American born blacks are locked out of.


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18 Aug 2020, 2:16 pm

funeralxempire wrote:
Are you really trying to pretend that because she isn't the descendent of slaves that she isn't black? This is shameful VS, you can be better than this.
That is not really what's being said,it makes no difference as to Harris's race,but should Biden have picked an ancestor of slave owners for VP.


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18 Aug 2020, 2:20 pm

vermontsavant wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
Are you really trying to pretend that because she isn't the descendent of slaves that she isn't black? This is shameful VS, you can be better than this.
That is not really what's being said,it makes no difference as to Harris's race,but should Biden have picked an ancestor of slave owners for VP.


Is it not possible he merely chose the best qualified, or the person he felt was most compatible with his own values?

If the 'sins of the father' are so important, why are we fixated on Harris' ancestry and ignoring Trump being decended from a Klansman? Either way it's not their fault, but it's a dishonest line of reasoning coming from someone who's not bothered by this fact about their candidate.

Now, I'd love to continue this but I have to go shunt cars around until 2am.


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18 Aug 2020, 2:21 pm

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No it is NOT "shameful". Kudos to the aptly-named vermontsavant.

Kamala Harris, and Barack Obama, are people whose families never felt the sting of American Slavery, whom are peddled to American Blacks as leaders. Essentially privileged foreigners forming an elite controlled leadership caste, which dark skinned American born blacks are locked out of.
I don't have an issue with Harris's ancestry because she can't control who her great grandfather was,it doesn't reflect on her as a person.

But Biden picking the ancestor of slave owners at this juncture in American history was in typical Biden,bad taste,considering what's going on now.

It's not Kamala's fault she benefited from slavery,she can't control that,we can't control what our ancestor's did but a choice in poor taste by Biden and it shows he's not fit to lead.


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18 Aug 2020, 2:24 pm

If you want to keep leftists from the polls, focus on her own history not that of her family.

If you want to keep the right from voting on her, she's a black woman, just peddle some nonsense about 'country not ready'...

It's descendant not ancestor.

If he picked an ancestor of slave owners that would be interesting. Some medieval corpse :lol:


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18 Aug 2020, 2:28 pm

funeralxempire wrote:
vermontsavant wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
Are you really trying to pretend that because she isn't the descendent of slaves that she isn't black? This is shameful VS, you can be better than this.
That is not really what's being said,it makes no difference as to Harris's race,but should Biden have picked an ancestor of slave owners for VP.


Is it not possible he merely chose the best qualified, or the person he felt was most compatible with his own values?

If the 'sins of the father' are so important, why are we fixated on Harris' ancestry and ignoring Trump being decended from a Klansman? Either way it's not their fault, but it's a dishonest line of reasoning coming from someone who's not bothered by this fact about their candidate.

Now, I'd love to continue this but I have to go shunt cars around until 2am.
I am simply pointing out Biden's poor judgement to make such a choice in these times,if you feel Trump is the greater evil,then that's your prerogative.

Let me ask you this:If a republican chose a white running mate whose ancestor's owned slaves,how would the left react?


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18 Aug 2020, 2:29 pm

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If you want to keep leftists from the polls, focus on her own history not that of her family.

If you want to keep the right from voting on her, she's a black woman, just peddle some nonsense about 'country not ready'...

It's descendant not ancestor.

If he picked an ancestor of slave owners that would be interesting. Some medieval corpse :lol:
I said whose ancestor's owned slaves,not ancestor of a slave.


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18 Aug 2020, 2:30 pm

Holding someone responsible for the actions of their distant ancestors is rather silly.

Also worth noting that Bernie Sanders says good things about Kamala Harris:
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/08/1 ... ent-396150

I believe that once again, the only people who will be offended by this will be people who have already decided they hate Biden, and in most cases will be unable to articulate why.



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18 Aug 2020, 2:34 pm

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Holding someone responsible for the actions of their distant ancestors is rather silly.

Also worth noting that Bernie Sanders says good things about Kamala Harris:
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/08/1 ... ent-396150

I believe that once again, the only people who will be offended by this will be people who have already decided they hate Biden, and in most cases will be unable to articulate why.
You know me I'll capitalize on anything to bash Biden,you are right,I don't like Biden,never have!


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18 Aug 2020, 2:35 pm

You do realize that many of the black people living in the US are descended from white slave owners who raped slave women to produce more slaves, right?

But with that said, I don't like Harris either. :nerdy:


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18 Aug 2020, 2:39 pm

...in most cases will be unable to articulate why.

Way to stay above the fray, "Moderator"!

Again...Kamala Harris, and Barack Obama, are people whose families never felt the sting of American Slavery, whom are peddled to American Blacks as leaders. Essentially privileged foreigners forming an elite controlled leadership caste, which dark skinned American born blacks are locked out of. Kamala Harris' record on racial issues is so bad that lefty Wikipedia editors have been deleting it. My favorite alt-lefty website, the black owned Afropunk concisely describes her track record as "...terrorizing Black communities through the prison industrial complex." An aggressive prosecutor, Harris opposed the legalization of marijuana, failed to support body cameras for police, and blocked legislation that would require her office to independently investigate police shootings.
Harris supported the death penalty and passionately advocated for the execution of an innocent black man named Kevin Cooper, to prove her "guts". She laughed about smoking pot in the privacy of her home while pushing policies that destroyed the lives of citizens who like an occasional toke. Harris even fought to maintain cheap ($1 an hour) black prison labor by opposing a liberal early parole program.


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18 Aug 2020, 2:52 pm

Biden is considered the principal author of the now notorious 1994 crime bill, perhaps the most heinous piece of legislation since Jim Crow days. The bill was so obviously anti-black in its impact that 10 of the 38 black Democrats in the House voted against it. Nice Uncle Joe's bill applied the death penalty to 60 more crimes, created mandatory minumum sentences, and included the notorious "three strikes" provision. Biden bragged about the “125,000 new state prison cells" he was financing. Black men often found their sentences doubled, were put away for minor drug infractions, and black families were torn apart because of Joe Biden.


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18 Aug 2020, 2:52 pm

Romofan wrote:
Way to stay above the fray, "Moderator"!


You don't see the Walrus locking this thread, banning you, or editing your posts because you're posting right wing opinions. Moderators are allowed to have opinions, they don't have enshrine 'political neutrality' every time they speak in an unofficial capacity.

As for the topic at hand, Snopes states that Harris's ancestry back to the slave owner Hamilton Brown has never been conclusively proven.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/kamala-harris-ancestor-slaves/?fbclid=IwAR3K4RAPvNqpqYs3fsR3tmeWhUe-qh1l7CLZBu2YruXb3L6HLhrLaKTYxv8

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She is not only NOT a descendent of slaves but a distant ancestor, Hamilton Brown was a slave owner in Jamaica in the 1800's.


That is false according to my sources. Just as the claim that Harris is descended from Hamilton Brown cannot be verified, neither can the claim that she is not descended from slaves. Indeed the same unverified family tree on FamilySearch that shows a connection to Hamilton Brown also lists one Jessian Prince, a 'laborer' in the Jamaican colonies (slave or slave decedent).

https://www.politifact.com/article/2020/aug/14/looking-claims-kamala-harris-descendant-slave-owne/

I understand the point of 'possible' generational wealth and status being pass on the generations down to Harris, but that would need to be proved, first that she is indeed related at all and second that her branch of the family benefited through time from that ancestors position. People would then be free to decide how much that matters. I am personally against the concept of generational grudges unless the current generation has done something that lives up to their ancestors legacy.

And as a show that I would like to learn more about Vermont's original statements, could you please provide the link to the Forbes article, thanks.



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18 Aug 2020, 3:03 pm

And let's get into Joe's legendary corruption.

The millions of dollars of graft that his son Hunter has collected from the Ukraine, China, and elsewhere. "Legal, socially acceptable corruption", the Democrat-leaning Atlantic called it.


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