No One Seems to Give a s**t About Real Policy Anymore.

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25 Aug 2020, 11:42 pm

Even a short 10 years ago people were talking about how the system was rigged against everyone. You had a diverse set of voices from both the left and right and it seemed like truly a coming together was afoot. Now you fast forward and you have people like Tulsi Gabbard and Andrew Yang panned and people like Rand Paul on the right are panned. You have conservatives doing nothing but "owning the libs" and "liberals" bitching about the least little thing. Instead of building infrastructure, liberalizing things, or encouraging innovation, progress to both these bozos is breathing down each other's necks. Neoliberals and others don't seem much better these days.

People yip about legal weed,gay marriage, and being tolerant, but dare mentioned sex worker rights, polygamy (for both sexes), the effects of future technologies or infrastructures we need for the 21st century, and either you get a glare or chided for being a white male. It seems like the West died in 08' and now people are circling like vultures over a corpse. Instead of arresting the banksters and getting back to a real economy that rewards hard work from the janitor up to the CEO, we are seeing the same s**t that was pulled in 08' but on a bigger scale, and now corporations are being propped up by the central banks. Further banks are not even required to hold 1/100th of your money. People tried to warn that people can be arrested without trial in 2012 without trial, but no we need to focus on stupid BS. People warned that the government is going for the jugular of the internet yet no one listened. Propaganda on American soil is legal. Instead of dealing with the warfare state, we simply increased it to be more inclusive. Even people on here defend this.

As an example I have had it come at me from both sides. A Trumper deleted me from Facebook, despite being pro-market (probably my first mistake) and thinking in systems instead of emotions. A second thing happened where I said I support legalizing marijuana in my state, but I also support legalized sex work, yet I am a reprobate for supporting such a thing, never mind most "socialist" countries in Europe support sex work. I find people these days so insufferable that I almost wish calamity on them, but then I would be no better than them.

One more nitpick then I will go. My biggest complaint about older people (besides not fixing the financial mess) is that when you say a word, they think of it in the most moderate terms. When you say conservative, it is half assed , instead of someone like Barry Goldwater or Thatcher, who were well defined. Then you have younger people that want to fire anyone thy disagree with. If it were not so predictable it might be comical but they come off as idiots who sniff their own farts.



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26 Aug 2020, 12:13 am

Well if it's any consolation China is probably going to rule the world in a few years after America's humiliating fall from power. Then those insufferable people you 'almost' wish calamity on will all suffer from calamity when America crumbles into ruin.


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26 Aug 2020, 12:36 am

DeathEmperor413 wrote:
Well if it's any consolation China is probably going to rule the world in a few years after America's humiliating fall from power. Then those insufferable people you 'almost' wish calamity on will all suffer from calamity when America crumbles into ruin.


And that is the sad thing. The only thing the US has going for it are fumes (Constitution, rule of law, etc.) , but even that is half assed. I think South America may have promise but again need to up the savings :) .



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26 Aug 2020, 2:57 am

… if only to illustrate the OP's point with a vengeance, The Republican Party has just decided not to have a policy platform of its own for the 2020 election and simply support Donald Trump's agenda:

https://prod-cdn-static.gop.com/media/d ... 1598219603

GOP wrote:
RESOLVED, That the Republican Party has and will continue to enthusiastically support the President’s America-first agenda;

RESOLVED, That the 2020 Republican National Convention will adjourn without adopting a new platform until the 2024 Republican National Convention;

RESOLVED, That the 2020 Republican National Convention calls on the media to engage in accurate and unbiased reporting, especially as it relates to the strong support of the RNC for President Trump and his Administration; and

RESOLVED, That any motion to amend the 2016 Platform or to adopt a new platform, including any motion to suspend the procedures that will allow doing so, will be ruled out of order.


The Democrats - by comparison - have a 92 page-platform here:
https://www.demconvention.com/wp-conten ... bution.pdf



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26 Aug 2020, 3:27 am

No one seems to give a s**t about reality anymore.


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26 Aug 2020, 9:03 am

I don't think hoping that you'll find policy wonks among your Facebook friends is a good strategy. Most people have never really been concerned about policy and aren't likely to start.

If you want to find wonks then you need to go to places dedicated to them: think tank websites perhaps, or certain subreddits or blogs. I enjoy reading The Diplomat, for example, which provides really good insight into Asian foreign policy.

The RNC having literally zero new policies after four years is very disappointing - so much has changed, and if nothing else you would hope that they would have achieved some of their goals. But in other countries there is at least some intellectual effort still happening on the right. Perhaps there are even sub-sections of the Republican Party that are still coming up with new ideas about how to tackle current and future challenges.



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26 Aug 2020, 9:08 am

No matter where you go, no matter who you are, stating your personal opinion on any subject through a public website is an open invitation to argument, criticism, insult, ghosting, blocking, and banishment.

No one is obligated to agree with you or support your opinions.  Expect nothing less.



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26 Aug 2020, 11:22 am

The_Walrus wrote:
I don't think hoping that you'll find policy wonks among your Facebook friends is a good strategy. Most people have never really been concerned about policy and aren't likely to start.

If you want to find wonks then you need to go to places dedicated to them: think tank websites perhaps, or certain subreddits or blogs. I enjoy reading The Diplomat, for example, which provides really good insight into Asian foreign policy.

The RNC having literally zero new policies after four years is very disappointing - so much has changed, and if nothing else you would hope that they would have achieved some of their goals. But in other countries there is at least some intellectual effort still happening on the right. Perhaps there are even sub-sections of the Republican Party that are still coming up with new ideas about how to tackle current and future challenges.


It is funny that despite him being a slightly dipshit president, at least under Bush you had talk of SSN reform and the Clear Skies Act (but also restrictions on drug imports and online gambling ban, which were stupid IMO).


As far as the debates on FB, this was a few years ago and learned my lesson.



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26 Aug 2020, 11:24 am

Fnord wrote:
No matter where you go, no matter who you are, stating your personal opinion on any subject through a public website is an open invitation to argument, criticism, insult, ghosting, blocking, and banishment.

No one is obligated to agree with you or support your opinions.  Expect nothing less.


While I get people don't need to agree with me, as a (in theory) free, open, and liberal society we need challenges to orthodoxy. Anything less is an invitation to the graveyards of history for nations.



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26 Aug 2020, 1:50 pm

Escort services are basically prostitution though...so yeah it is legal, it's just done behind the scenes in a more civilized way than meth addicts with pimps walking the streets and getting picked up. And pot has become legal/decriminalized like wildfire in recent years.



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26 Aug 2020, 3:41 pm

shlaifu wrote:
No one seems to give a s**t about reality anymore.



Or doing the right thing. Hell you know it's a f****d up world when people are claiming that narcissists and psychopaths make the best leaders. They'd rather be led by corrupt megalomaniacs than having a leader who actually has compassion and cares about his or her people.


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26 Aug 2020, 3:57 pm

eyelessshiver wrote:
Escort services are basically prostitution though...so yeah it is legal, it's just done behind the scenes in a more civilized way than meth addicts with pimps walking the streets and getting picked up. And pot has become legal/decriminalized like wildfire in recent years.


They are going after that under FOSTA/SESTA. No online advertisements for that. Also why not allow it with the caveat of no street service and it is behind closed doors? The current laws are pissing into the wind.



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26 Aug 2020, 9:33 pm

GGPViper wrote:
… if only to illustrate the OP's point with a vengeance, The Republican Party has just decided not to have a policy platform of its own for the 2020 election and simply support Donald Trump's agenda:

https://prod-cdn-static.gop.com/media/d ... 1598219603

GOP wrote:
RESOLVED, That the Republican Party has and will continue to enthusiastically support the President’s America-first agenda;

RESOLVED, That the 2020 Republican National Convention will adjourn without adopting a new platform until the 2024 Republican National Convention;

RESOLVED, That the 2020 Republican National Convention calls on the media to engage in accurate and unbiased reporting, especially as it relates to the strong support of the RNC for President Trump and his Administration; and

With Trump, they likely have to do this, because Trump's policy positions can be transitory and contradictory.

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