Why people with ASD / Autism / AS should not be a neo nazi

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I have noticed that some of the people on this forum hold far right if not Neo Nazi views.

I believe that if you have ASD / Autism / Asperger Syndrome, you should realise that being a neo nazi is not a good idea.

The reasoning for this is that there now is substantial evidence that proves Hans Asperger, the doctor that Asperger Syndrome was named after who went down in history for discovering the condition, was actually actively involved in the nazi regime to the extent of participating in its murderous euthanasia programme, sending hundreds of children with ASD to their premature deaths.

Pioneering autism doctor Hans Asperger sent disabled children to be killed by Nazis, new study claims

To say that you are a neo nazi while having ASD / Autism / Asperger Syndrome, is to say that you agree that you and all the people with the same disability that you suffer from deserve to die for being subhuman life.

Although i believe in freedom of speech, i was thinking when considering the above fact (i.e. in how the nazi's classify people with ASD) that perhaps this website should consider banning all neo nazi activity.

I say this, as I also know that some with ASD may be naive and may not understand when other members are being manipulative or abusive. and also may not understand how vulnerable they are.

Nobody should be a Nazi...

People who are Nazis tend to not believe in the Holocaust so you can't reach them with that kind of logical reasoning.

And the Holocaust would be wrong even if autistic people hadn't been targetted.

I don't think anyone on this site (including people far to the right of me) self-identify as Nazis.

Very few people do, because of the Holocaust and the connotations it has.

Unlike communism and religion, it can't be separated from hatred. Hatred is built into the ideology of fascism. Unlike communism and religion, it's a hatred of things that can't be controlled such as race. Religious people think people can change sexuality/trans people can become cis. People can choose their religion. People can stop being billionaires and give their money to the community - although of course they can't help having been born rich.

Nobody can change their ethnicity.

Nazis hate based on ethnicity.

Therefore, self proclaimed Nazis hate an entire person and know they're doing it and know the only 'solution' is the 'final solution'. This is why Fascism/Nazism is inherently violent.

Even people here who are "alt-right" are not "Nazi."

I find that people who profess an "alt-right" ideology have many rather odious viewpoints based upon false premises.

Who the hell would want to be a Nazi anyway?

People who are really screwed up in the head.....

I'm done considering whether or not the term is too offensive to those it applies to, they ought to be able to take what they dish out. If someone is aggressively indifferent to the suffering of others, insists that their life holds more intrinsic value than anyone else or callously disregards a life & death decision because their face got itchy in a mask.

They make it all the worse when they get offended, playing a victim card & groaning that we're censoring them. Mindless violence censors the left & do we itinerantly call the right ret*d? No, we say nazi because there is historical precedent.

Yep, that's nazi BS, let's call it what it is.

Civil liberty in the United States IN NO WAY EXTENDS TO ACTIONS WITH ANY POSSIBILITY OF HARMFUL EFFECTS. It never did & never will.

Neocons do your homework.

For what it's worth some posters who were worse have left, meaning there has been improvement in this regard. Food for thought.

Yes yes yes yes yes my god it is refreshing to see that viewpoint. I think constitutional civil liberties are crucial but they are NOT all-inclusive and dangerous/hateful/violent expressions of speech are NOT exempt from the repercussions of said speech.

Hmm. Now, i know you are not a fascist or neo nazi. I guess that from your posts.
However, i would be really careful when it comes to anyone who proclaims they are "alt-right".

I know that some neo nazi's / white supremacy groups went underground in some countries that do not approve of neo nazism, especially after National Action and other neo nazi organisations were openly found guilty of committing violent criminal attacks and being caught plotting many other such acts.

I live on an island that was the only place in the UK which was occupied by invading German forces during the second world war, and the remnants of the German forces occupying the island are easy to see all over the island, as well as on neighbouring islands which include one island (Alderney) that had a concentration camp on it, where many Polish and some Russian workers died.

One of the earlier incarnations of the now terrorist organisation National Action, an organisation called Combat 18 used to be lead by a violent neo nazi who used to live on the island that i live on too, he even went to the same school.

He was involved in that organisation until he was put in prison for a violent race hate motivated murder. He is now out of prison and still likely involved, as many of his old group are. Many which converted in the 80s into neo nazis, but now, who are in their 50s, many now holding down jobs and even some running businesses, who now play their involvement down openly, while they continue their antics behind closed doors, among their own, and on forums like these as well as using other sub cultures to recruit new people from.

Music scenes in particular are a main place for such people to recruit new converts. Often selling their toxic ideology in various romantic or fantasy guises that, as the original nazis did before them, draw on ancient religions and faiths such as the religious ritual practices of the Vikings, the Celts (especially in the UK and Ireland) and in some cases, perhaps even Pop Satanism (as promoted by many a black metal band)....

Yep, they will openly deny they are neo nazis or racist in public, but they still try and push their agenda of race hate in other form, for example, the hatred that they have for Islam.

I have seen a lot of this lately, a bit on this forum, but also in other people whom i know including even some who are friends of mine. A good friend of mine who also has ASD, is an avid member of a gun club.

One of his shooting buddies has been pushing Muslim hate to him for years, and he comes out with all sorts of stuff about the evil Muslims.

I asked him the other day how many Muslims does he know, and how many of these evil Muslims who we all should be scared of for trying to push their religion on us, how many has he met and how many examples can he list of people he has met that have forced anyone to do anything against their will.

Now, don't get me wrong. I am not Muslim, nor am I Christian or Jewish. But I do not think that the Islamaphobia is valid but instead an "alt-right" excuse to drive race hate / religious intolerance into peoples hearts and convert people to their cause, if so seductively and subtly.

I have never been forced to do anything by any Muslim and I have travelled a fair bit.

I have met neo nazi's who spout all sorts of fantasy nonsense about how we all should be scared that the evil Muslims are going to evade our lands, steal our jobs, rape our woman, as armies of Muslim people are right this second travelling across the desert in their caravans because that is their exact purpose in life.

Such Neo nazis have become skilled orators (as hitler was) at driving fear into the hearts of their audiences, and to provoke an emotional response in the excited crowd, with the aim of inciting their audience to take up arms against such evil criminal invaders.

Yep. all very bad manipulation.

You know where I met this particular neo nazi spouting his ideology?
At a Buddhist Meditation group... Where he sat cross legged with his German army boots on (everyone else took their shoes off)...

Nonetheless, I am not here to cause trouble. I am not antifa either.
I have no intentions to cause any of the members of this forum suffering.

I am however aware of the possibility that some of the people on this open forum, who may proclaim to have ASD,
may not, and instead be on the forum to drive toxic prejudiced ideology and to convert members to their cause,
so they can use us in their struggle to rise to power, before doing away with us once we served their purpose.

Yep. I would be a little cautious about any one who calls themselves "alt-right".
Like Tommy Robinson.... Alt-right? nope more of an - All Wrong! (I am now exercising my right to freedom of speech giving my opinion on such a person who is known political agitator with questionable connections and motivations).

Perhaps not the fine young man that Mr Steve Bannon proclaims he was.
But perhaps in Mr Bannon Standards, he is. But that does not say much now does it.
(btw, Mr Steve Bannon was Mr D Trump's lead political and military strategist, and had a big part in Mr Trumps rise to power).

I still don't feel there are actual "Nazis" amongst the "alt-right" people here on WP. There are certainly "alt-right" people in the greater world who adopt blatantly neo-Nazi ideology. Where did I deny that?

I didn't say it was some kind of fully actualized belief system, I'm simply stating the obvious fact that some posters really are not doing much of anything to morally distance themselves from historical atrocities & their causes. It's a lowest-common-denominator qualification of civility as its' been erroded by partisan violence. The alt-right wishes for a monopoly on dispensing justice as they see it, which is nothing less than a malevolent inclination toward many of us today. It gets violent when anyone views this pack of lies as justification for their sheltered viewpoints.

The only reason I'm still here is to see if I can wake people the f up.

I certainly agree that we should not be neo-Nazis!

But it's not accurate to say that the Nazi "euthanasia" program included all kids with ASD. Kids with what would later be called "Asperger's syndrome" would not necessarily have been killed, because they were not intellectually disabled. Indeed Dr. Asperger argued that they could play valuable roles in society, such as code-breakers.

Nevertheless, a successful neo-Nazi movement would be very much against our interests in many other ways. (One of these is that the whole idea of racial and cultural homogeneity is against our interests, because it results in increased pressure to conform to narrow social norms, making it even harder for us to fit in.)

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I'm writing this as a software geek employed by a fortune 500 to do basically that with experimental tech. I applied as a council for our autism employee group.

Ugh nope nope nope. Being valued strictly for one's capabilities by a disastrously misguided society is the wrong kind of employment & social standing in every possible way.

We are still experiencing the repercussions of the autism dialog beginning this way. People have no other context to view us in but the same one as the nazis.

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Personally, I think that if you are on the spectrum, and a Neo-Nazi, you are a fool.
Nazi ideology considers us genetic mistakes.

I don't know of any neo-nazis or alt.right autistic members on WP.
I don't think we have any.

We had this discussion before and came to the same conclusion I just mentioned.