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11 Nov 2020, 12:39 pm

https://news.yahoo.com/officials-pennsy ... 42257.html

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A postal worker in Erie, Pennsylvania, who claimed that a postmaster instructed workers to backdate ballots mailed after Election Day, has admitted to U.S. Postal Service investigators that he fabricated his story, three people with knowledge of the matter told The Washington Post on Tuesday.

Richard Hopkins signed an affidavit saying he heard the supervisor make the order, which was made public by the right-wing group Project Veritas. President Trump has refused to concede the election, claiming there was widespread voter fraud, and his campaign provided Hopkins' affidavit to Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.). Graham then sent a letter to the Department of Justice and FBI regarding the allegations, demanding they launch an investigation.

The Post reports that Hopkins was first interviewed on Friday, and on Sunday, he told investigators he made the whole thing up and signed an affidavit recanting his story. The House Oversight Committee tweeted on Tuesday evening that Hopkins did not explain why he made up the allegations. In a Facebook post, Rob Weisenbach, the postmaster in Erie, said Hopkins' claims were "100 percent false" and "made by an employee that was recently disciplined multiple times. The Erie Post Office did not backdate any ballots."

I'm starting to think Project Veritas has no respect for the truth.

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11 Nov 2020, 3:05 pm

Philly’s Republican City Commissioner: No Dead People Voted in This City by Tori B. Powell, The Daily Beast, November 11, 2020.

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Philadelphia City Commissioner Al Schmidt, a Republican, shot down the Republican party’s baseless claims that massive voter fraud was behind President-elect Joe Biden’s victory in Pennsylvania. “I have seen the most fantastical things on social media, making completely ridiculous allegations that have no basis in fact at all,” Schmidt told CNN Wednesday. He said that an apparent list of dead voters who cast ballots in the 2020 presidential election, widely circulated by Trumpkins on social media, was completely untrue. His team investigated every single name on the list. “Not a single one of them voted in Philadelphia after they died,” he said.

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11 Nov 2020, 4:30 pm

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Philly’s Republican City Commissioner: No Dead People Voted in This City by Tori B. Powell, The Daily Beast, November 11, 2020.

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Seems unlikely.

"In Michigan, for instance, 864 ballots were rejected during the primaries earlier this year because the voters died before the election"

"It takes time to update these voter rolls, and it’s incredibly hard to check to make sure every single voter is still living at the time votes are counted if their deaths haven’t been reported yet"
https://www.yahoo.com/news/did-dead-peo ... 39683.html

So, in Michigan, at least 864 dead people voted.

Yet, in Philadelphia not a single one ? Come on.

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11 Nov 2020, 4:33 pm

864 Is an awful lot, I can't imagine that would've happened if Trump hadn't fired Bush's pandemic task force.

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11 Nov 2020, 4:37 pm

TheRobotLives wrote:

Mona Pereth wrote:

Philly’s Republican City Commissioner: No Dead People Voted in This City by Tori B. Powell, The Daily Beast, November 11, 2020.

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They're probably suggesting that people weren't already dead when they 'voted' (fraud) as opposed to people legally voted and then died. I wouldn't believe what you're suggesting either. Like so many things, they're probably 'framing' it so people don't misunderstand. I would think.

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11 Nov 2020, 4:37 pm

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864 Is an awful lot, I can't imagine that would've happened if Trump hadn't fired Bush's pandemic task force.

It probably happens because a spouse dies, and with no verification, mail-in voting, the other spouse submits the ballot for the dead spouse.

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11 Nov 2020, 4:39 pm

What "the votes of the dead" are - from the article TRL linked:

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With close to 150 million voters casting ballots, and historic numbers voting early and absentee, it’s pretty much guaranteed that some people will have died between the time they voted and Election Day. But do those votes count? The answer varies by state.

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So it’s possible that some votes could get through, but not enough to have any major impact in deciding an election.

And there’s also no evidence of the kind of widespread election fraud that’s been alleged in some dark corners of social media — that thousands of votes are being cast by people who have been dead for decades.

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11 Nov 2020, 4:46 pm

TheRobotLives wrote:

cberg wrote:

864 Is an awful lot, I can't imagine that would've happened if Trump hadn't fired Bush's pandemic task force.

It probably happens because a spouse dies, and with no verification, mail-in voting, the other spouse submits the ballot for the dead spouse.

Actually you're just guessing there, there is no way almost 1000 people could vote & die in short order without a despotic moron getting rid of the medical infrastructure that was keeping them alive to vote in the first place. This is probably the same reason he didn't respond at all when entire towns in blue states were burning to the ground.

Trump is in dereliction of his duty in letting liberals die as much as possible, in pursuit of a stacked vote. Got any proof otherwise?

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11 Nov 2020, 4:49 pm

Well, you are also assuming those votes were for Biden, they could have been for Trump...

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11 Nov 2020, 4:54 pm

They could have been for Vermin Supreme. I was only suggesting that urban voter suppression via intractable plague is not only a filthy trick, but would theoretically slant things red(er).

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11 Nov 2020, 4:56 pm

cberg wrote:

TheRobotLives wrote:

cberg wrote:

864 Is an awful lot, I can't imagine that would've happened if Trump hadn't fired Bush's pandemic task force.

It probably happens because a spouse dies, and with no verification, mail-in voting, the other spouse submits the ballot for the dead spouse.

Geez, it's in the very article TRL linked - some of the early voters have died between casting their votes and the election day. In some states, including Michigan, these ballots are rejected - but the procedure is not 100% foolproof and some instances likely have slipped.
Not nearly enough to change the election outcome.

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11 Nov 2020, 6:34 pm

funeralxempire wrote:

https://news.yahoo.com/officials-pennsylvania-postal-worker-admits-000042257.html

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I'm starting to think Project Veritas has no respect for the truth.

As was noted in other threads on this site, reading the "Washington Post" article claimed as the source in your linked article:

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Hopkins did not respond to messages from The Washington Post seeking comment through his social media accounts, family members and phone messages earlier this week. But in a YouTube video he posted Tuesday night, he denied recanting. “I’m here to say I did not recant my statements. That did not happen,” he said.

So, to clarify, people other than the witness are claiming the witness recanted their statement, whilst the witness themself has denied this has occurred. Which of these is likely to have a more accurate\credible understanding of the situation?

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Hopkins hinted that he would have more information for the public on Wednesday in the video he posted demanding the retraction from The Post.

“My name is Richard Hopkins, I am the postal employee who came out and whistle blew on the Erie PA postal service,” he said in the video. “I am right at this very moment looking at a article written by Washington Post, says that I fabricated the allegations of ballot tampering – I’m here to say that I did not ‘recant’ my statement, that did not happen, that is not what happened and you will find out tomorrow.”

Hopkins then went onto say that he would like the Post to ‘recant’ the story they wrote about him.

Source:https://saraacarter.com/usps-whistleblower-demands-washington-post-retract-story-saying-he-recanted-allegations-of-voter-fraud/
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Given there is no penalty for someone making a claim to a media organisation (or anyone else) about another person recanting an affadavit should this prove incorrect, as opposed to there being penalties available for a person who claims they had not recanted should this be proven incorrect, the balance of probabilities would appear to be that it is more likely the "Washington Post" (and more so those who gleefully parrot what they have produced, such as Yahoo in this case, without noting that the article also indicated that he denied having recanted), rather than Project Veritas, that has no respect for the truth.

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11 Nov 2020, 6:37 pm

I don't find Australians supporting American fascism very respectful to the truth.

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11 Nov 2020, 6:56 pm

cberg wrote:

I don't find Australians supporting American fascism very respectful to the truth.

Curious: Trying to present the truth (as opposed to misinformation\lies) is seen as not being "respectful to the truth"...Seems a contradiction there somewhere.

Just because a person wants accurate information, (rather than misinformation\lies\etc.) available, in order to allow people to make informed choices\have an informed understanding of the facts doesn't mean they have to support either side under discussion (in fact, the more partisan a person is, the less likely they will be to present facts and the more they will likely use judgemental\loaded terms in discussion on a given topic).

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11 Nov 2020, 6:59 pm

Now you're generalizing straw men.

The truth is that millions of people decided this & that you're playing devil's advocate for a regime with a fake resume.

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11 Nov 2020, 7:03 pm

Truthfully, we do not have a partisan system anymore anyway; we only have had the binary choice between totalitarianism & a center left that acts more like a moderate right wing as most countries would see it.

Dude it's so rich that someone who clearly doesn't live here has all these ideas about how we should be forcibly governed. Nay, maybe it's cute.

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