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13 Feb 2021, 5:34 pm

Trump has been acquitted of his impeachment charges regarding the incitement of an insurrection. The senate vote went to 57-43, which means 7 republican senators went along with conviction along with 50 democrats. Of course this wasn't enough for the majority needed to convict Trump as there wasn't enough GOP support. What are your thoughts?



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13 Feb 2021, 6:42 pm

The outcome was unsurprising, as it was unlikely that at least 17 Republican senators would vote to convict Trump. The Democrats definitely knew this already, of course.

That 7 Republican senators actually *did* vote for impeachment of Trump was perhaps slightly more than expected, but right now it's hard to see what the long-term implications will be for the Republican party.



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13 Feb 2021, 6:51 pm

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... right now it's hard to see what the long-term implications will be for the Republican party.
A long uphill battle to retain the offices into which they were voted by their now-disgruntled constituents.


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13 Feb 2021, 7:07 pm

FlaminPika wrote:
Trump has been acquitted of his impeachment charges regarding the incitement of an insurrection. The senate vote went to 57-43, which means 7 republican senators went along with conviction along with 50 democrats. Of course this wasn't enough for the majority needed to convict Trump as there wasn't enough GOP support. What are your thoughts?


I called it yonks ago. 8)



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13 Feb 2021, 7:33 pm

Trump was acquitted.

But this is what acquittal looked like.

GOP leader Mitch McConnell:


That was the head of Trump's own party in the Senate, who had just voted to acquit him!

Kinda makes acquittal hard to tell from conviction if someone for acquitting you talks about you that way.



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13 Feb 2021, 7:55 pm

Fnord wrote:
GGPViper wrote:
... right now it's hard to see what the long-term implications will be for the Republican party.
A long uphill battle to retain the offices into which they were voted by their now-disgruntled constituents.


Yes, I agree that 6 of those 7 are likely to have issues with future re-election...One is retiring, so doesn't have that concern.

One, of course, has more pressing concerns that the others: I understand Ms Murkowski is the only one of them up for re-election in 2022 (being the first election after this event) and so risks being "primaried", with the rest having more time for this to be forgotten by their constituents.



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13 Feb 2021, 8:02 pm

naturalplastic wrote:
Trump was acquitted.

But this is what acquittal looked like.

GOP leader Mitch McConnell:


That was the head of Trump's own party in the Senate, who had just voted to acquit him!

Kinda makes acquittal hard to tell from conviction if someone for acquitting you talks about you that way.


Does anyone know why he voted to acquit him if those are his views?



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13 Feb 2021, 8:10 pm

QFT wrote:
naturalplastic wrote:
Trump was acquitted.  But this is what acquittal looked like.  GOP leader Mitch McConnell ... was the head of Trump's own party in the Senate, who had just voted to acquit him!  Kinda makes acquittal hard to tell from conviction if someone for acquitting you talks about you that way.
Does anyone know why he voted to acquit him if those are his views?
You should ask HIM.


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13 Feb 2021, 8:15 pm

Fnord wrote:
QFT wrote:
naturalplastic wrote:
Trump was acquitted.  But this is what acquittal looked like.  GOP leader Mitch McConnell ... was the head of Trump's own party in the Senate, who had just voted to acquit him!  Kinda makes acquittal hard to tell from conviction if someone for acquitting you talks about you that way.
Does anyone know why he voted to acquit him if those are his views?
You should ask HIM.


Did he say it at some point?



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13 Feb 2021, 8:17 pm

QFT wrote:
Fnord wrote:
QFT wrote:
naturalplastic wrote:
Trump was acquitted.  But this is what acquittal looked like.  GOP leader Mitch McConnell ... was the head of Trump's own party in the Senate, who had just voted to acquit him!  Kinda makes acquittal hard to tell from conviction if someone for acquitting you talks about you that way.
Does anyone know why he voted to acquit him if those are his views?
You should ask HIM.
Did he say it at some point?
You should find out for yourself.


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13 Feb 2021, 8:19 pm

Brictoria wrote:
Fnord wrote:
GGPViper wrote:
... right now it's hard to see what the long-term implications will be for the Republican party.
A long uphill battle to retain the offices into which they were voted by their now-disgruntled constituents.


Yes, I agree that 6 of those 7 are likely to have issues with future re-election...One is retiring, so doesn't have that concern.

One, of course, has more pressing concerns that the others: I understand Ms Murkowski is the only one of them up for re-election in 2022 (being the first election after this event) and so risks being "primaried", with the rest having more time for this to be forgotten by their constituents.


Well, Murkowski was "primaried" by Sarah Palin. Murkowski ran in the general election as an independent and retained her seat. I am not sure Murkowski has much to worry about.



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13 Feb 2021, 8:28 pm

He's acquitted so does that mean he will want to (be allowed?) contest the 2024 election?



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13 Feb 2021, 8:39 pm

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He's acquitted so does that mean he will want to (be allowed?) contest the 2024 election?


Even had he been "convicted", he could still have run again - It would have required a combination of conviction under the impeachment charges, disqualification from future office (which has a pre-requisite of impeachment conviction) and a finding from SCOTUS that it was constitutonal - The initial vote in the senate has no bearing on whether it was in fact constitutional, merely that those who voted that it was believed (desired?) that it was.



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13 Feb 2021, 10:04 pm

I'm pretty convinced that Trump is a symptom of decades of bad policies, and I'm thinking that maybe the threat of Trumpism, constantly looming over Biden, might actually force them to make a move and not make it into Obama, but this time with an old white man.
And by "make a move" I don't mean "appeal" to Trump voters. I mean actually acting to improve people's lives.


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13 Feb 2021, 10:15 pm

Brictoria wrote:
Fnord wrote:
GGPViper wrote:
... right now it's hard to see what the long-term implications will be for the Republican party.
A long uphill battle to retain the offices into which they were voted by their now-disgruntled constituents.


Yes, I agree that 6 of those 7 are likely to have issues with future re-election...One is retiring, so doesn't have that concern.

One, of course, has more pressing concerns that the others: I understand Ms Murkowski is the only one of them up for re-election in 2022 (being the first election after this event) and so risks being "primaried", with the rest having more time for this to be forgotten by their constituents.


Toomey and Burr are retiring.


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13 Feb 2021, 10:19 pm

QFT wrote:
naturalplastic wrote:
Trump was acquitted.

But this is what acquittal looked like.

GOP leader Mitch McConnell:


That was the head of Trump's own party in the Senate, who had just voted to acquit him!

Kinda makes acquittal hard to tell from conviction if someone for acquitting you talks about you that way.


Does anyone know why he voted to acquit him if those are his views?


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