Ethical paradox: Would You Kill Baby Hitler?

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15 Nov 2015, 9:39 am

Let's say you were sent back in time to his bedroom in Austria when Hitler was still a baby, would you kill baby Hitler as an attempt to prevent the WWII and Holocaust from happening?


You just find yourself in front of the baby him, with a gun in your hand, shoot or not shoot?

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15 Nov 2015, 10:11 am

Why not take a more recent example?

Would you kill zionist fanatic Baruch Goldstein to prevent him from shooting praying muslims in the back?

http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/inpictures/2014/02/remembering-ibrahimi-mosque-ma-2014223105915230233.html

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15 Nov 2015, 10:15 am

Killing Hitler might prevent the Holocaust, probably leading to a much safer Europe for Jews, therefore the foundation of Israel would probably not happen, why Jews would leave Europe if they were already having good businesses, happy and safe there?



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15 Nov 2015, 10:21 am

How would you know that this murder would be for the greater good?



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15 Nov 2015, 10:32 am

A more humanitarian act would be to use your "time machine" round up all of the infant bin Ladens, Duvaliers, Hitlers, Kim-Jongs, Pol Pots, Rajapaksas, Stalins, Maos, and other terrorist dictators, and have them raised by loving, nurturing stone-age tribes so that (1) they could live out their natural lived and (2) not have the media and technology to threaten everyone in the entire world.

Even Alexander the Great could not conquer everyone.



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15 Nov 2015, 10:34 am

If I learned anything from Command & Conquer: Red Alert, it's that if Hitler were erased from history, Stalin would have simply taken his place. You would have to go waaay further back in history to prevent what is currently happening in the middle east.



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15 Nov 2015, 10:37 am

A couple days ago I would have said "friggin Ay" . The end would justify plugging the little tyke (if I had happened to have packed heat while traveling in my time traveling Delorean, and had stumbled upon the right time and place to do that).

But yesterday I just happened to have listened to an NPR radio segment about peoples' attitudes about time travel.

It got me thinking about how if you could change the past (your personal past, or that of human history) you might not get the present day that you want.

If you prevented Hitler, another Hitler might have appeared later in history. And in a period of history that had nuclear weapons enabling that Hitler to be worse than the actual Hitler. You never know.



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15 Nov 2015, 10:56 am

I'm pretty sure that would mean The Great Depression would last a lot longer than it did.


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15 Nov 2015, 11:00 am

Thats true.

World War two was the most effective make work project ever. And that war spawned the Cold War.

The subsequent Cold War spending might have helped keep the Great Depression from coming back in the decades after the war as well.



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15 Nov 2015, 11:09 am

Yes. Mao Zedong and Stalin too. Or perhaps their parents...



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15 Nov 2015, 11:47 am

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
Let's say you were sent back in time to his bedroom in Austria when Hitler was still a baby, would you kill baby Hitler as an attempt to prevent the WWII and Holocaust from happening?


You just find yourself in front of the baby him, with a gun in your hand, shoot or not shoot?

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Why not just kidnap Baby Hitler and raise him in a place far away from Germany? And how can you be so sure the Nazis wouldn't have risen to power even without him? A lot of those Nazis were actually worse than him. He was the figure head but some of the others were much more insidious and responsible for atrocities.



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15 Nov 2015, 11:53 am

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
Let's say you were sent back in time to his bedroom in Austria when Hitler was still a baby, would you kill baby Hitler as an attempt to prevent the WWII and Holocaust from happening?


You just find yourself in front of the baby him, with a gun in your hand, shoot or not shoot?

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Why not just kidnap Baby Hitler and raise him in a place far away from Germany? And how can you be so sure the Nazis wouldn't have risen to power even without him? A lot of those Nazis were actually worse than him. He was the figure head but some of the others were much more insidious and responsible for atrocities.
This. Or bring him back to the present to study his mental illnesses.



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15 Nov 2015, 11:57 am

Disobey the Prime Directive by exploiting the Grandfather Paradox?

I don't think I could do that.



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15 Nov 2015, 12:03 pm

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
Let's say you were sent back in time to his bedroom in Austria when Hitler was still a baby, would you kill baby Hitler as an attempt to prevent the WWII and Holocaust from happening?


You just find yourself in front of the baby him, with a gun in your hand, shoot or not shoot?

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Why not just kidnap Baby Hitler and raise him in a place far away from Germany? And how can you be so sure the Nazis wouldn't have risen to power even without him? A lot of those Nazis were actually worse than him. He was the figure head but some of the others were much more insidious and responsible for atrocities.


What if the Time-travel rules prevent you to take people from the past with you? :twisted: :ninja:



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15 Nov 2015, 12:13 pm

Would you kill a sociopath???

Who is more foolish? The fool, or the fool who follows him?

Hitler was never the problem. Idiots follow. That is the vast majority.

The Natzi party was never supposed to be a bad thing either. It is a socialist party. That's it. Unfortunately personality disorders made it ridiculously insane.

Mind control, and brainwashing is a tactic used in the art of war.

Only 5% or less of the population cannot be hypnotized. That includes brainwashing, and mind control. The ones who cannot be have the gift of being very creative, and extremely imaginative.

My mind tells me that this is a mental disorder that almost everyone has. There is no publication of such a disorder, probably because it would include all the people who would try to research it. To them, it would be normal.

T.v., war, politics, psychology, modern medicine, corporate buisness, most all people.... And a whole lot of bright ideas..... Poison.... It's all poison.


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15 Nov 2015, 4:45 pm

You don't get the benefit of highlight in reality.

You could technically argue that technology developed during the WWII has saved more people than we killed. The point is you can bargain the present generation on the subsequent ones to that extent.