Required reading for male feminists

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Personally, I think that every man who considers himself a feminist or is thinking about being one should be required to read the SCUM Manifesto by Valerie Solanas.

Here's the listing on Amazon.com. You buy it for $10 or even get it for your Kindle.

https://www.amazon.com/SCUM-Manifesto-V ... 189&sr=8-1

No. I mean... Read it, it is interesting, but demanding any man who supports women's rights should read it is silly.

Not every version of anything is by default it's most extreme version.
It does help to understand what kind of feminism you are supporting, but generally equating it with the manifesto of the woman who shot Andy Warhol is like equating any skepticism of technology with the UNAbomber, any conservativism with fascism, any social institution with communism, every Muslim with wahhabism, and so on

Oh wait, Americans are doing that.. No wonder everyone is just screaming at each other.

... seems narcissistic.

I'm not demanding it. But people should be aware of what they're getting into.

"No. I mean... Read it, it is interesting, but demanding any med student who wants to be a surgeon should read Grey's Anatomy is silly."

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And nice try, by the way! Trying to disingenuously conflate misandry with supporting women's rights.

What?

So they can identify with a rad fem from the 1970s who had documented mental health issues...

OK then...
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Male rad fems don't exist, the movement doesn't allow it.

Feminism is a broad movement.

Most rad fems would denounce her too actually. I'm not their greatest advocate but... she was acting out issues.
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Bothering to look into biographical information on opponents is a good idea.

But studying her is more about studying mental illness or the life of Andy Warhol then studying feminism or even radical feminism of the 1970s. Read Greer or Steinham for that.

Feminism is about equal rights most of the time...

Do you mean to claim that all or most feminists agree with the SCUM Manifesto?

Can you give cliff notes or something. For some reason a number of the reviewers seem to say that it has bigotry.

I'm confused. You're the one who seems to be doing the latter. If you DIDN'T mean to equate "misandry with supporting women's rights," then what WAS your original point?

Or are you equating "feminism" with "misandry" rather than with "supporting women's rights"? (The latter is in fact the definition of "feminism.")

I'm a male and while I don't consider myself a feminist, I support the plight of feminism and I find myself in agreement with much of what feminists believe in. So I suppose some would consider me a feminist or feminist aligned. I am familiar with Valerie Solanas although I have not read her work personally.

@Fnord:

I was abused emotionally by a narcissist who isolated and gaslighted me for over two years and that experience has left me a anxious wreck ever since. So don't presume to tell me that I'm being narcissistic.

I remember my own mother openly expressed fantasies of a male genocide. And she isn't the only one. I remember back in college I overheard someone talking to my roommate about wanting to kill all men in the world.

Clementine Ford, a prominent figure in mainstream feminism, Tweeted last year that "the corona virus isn't killing men fast enough."

And let's not forget the popular feminist hashtag #killallmen.

You're insinuating that anyone who objects to misandry is opposed to women's right.

Was written by the woman who shot Andy Warhol.

She had severe mental issues, I'm not saying that as an insult.

She believed that women (radical feminism doesn't believe in gender) would only be 'free' once they had finished cutting up and mutilating men.

Not feminism - misandry. Maybe she was abused in childhood or something? Wouldn't excuse it but would explain it.

That is what you are implying. You have taken a very extreme view and then stated that that view is somehow central to a very broad movement. I notice you did not think Elizabeth Cody Stanton and her work Woman's Bible would be required reading. That fact you singled out one work is also telling.

I am sorry you have experience some people with some extreme views. However, that is simply anecdotal, no matter how traumatic and significant they are for you. I am sorry you had to experience that.