Science and Politics
Scientists has always been attacked for having certain political opinions, as the majority of scientists are leaning to the left of the political spectrum.
But could it be that it is the other way around? That the scientific findings themselves are what makes the scientists lean left?
An example is man-made climate change. Leftists wants more climate control, therefore scientists votes for the leftists.
Or Science tells us that people on UBI (Unconditional Basic Income) has better health and less stress than those recieving other kinds of welfare benefits. This makes scientists favor UBI, a leftist idea, instead of benefits which requires work in return.
https://www.newscientist.com/article/22 ... ell-being/
I think Scientists should be our World Leaders. No more politicians. No more voting. Facts can stand on its own, facts do not change by votes. Therefore universal suffrage should be abolished.
Modern Science is a prisoner of politics, one of its many self-imposed prisons. It's not that scientists are left wing, it's that scientists that aren't left wing or hold unfashionable views find it very difficult to be (honest and forthright) scientists these days and are often chased to the fringe or out of the profession entirely.
Bruce Charlton wrote a whole book on the topic:
https://corruption-of-science.blogspot.com/
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Here is a political question:
You have $ 1,000,000,000,000. What should you spend it on?
UBI?
Cancer treatment?
The fight against climate change?
Anti-Asteroid Nuclear Fusion Inter-Planetary Ballistic Missiles?
That is a political question where no scientific proof can guide us to the correct decision. And since we have limited resources at our disposal (something science *can* prove), we cannot simply choose "all of the above".
Political decisions require value judgments about different competing - and often mutually exclusive - outcomes.
As such, facts cannot stand on their own.
As a scientist, I try to stay out of the political realm most of the time. (I used to be a republican, but gave up most of those views to become more middle of the road when that party became deeper right leaning a few years ago.). My old home state of Kansas is a strongly republican state, so you stand out if you do not express those views openly there. I changed my perspective when I left that state. A former governor was threatening to cut state funding for higher education, which would have cost me my job at the university. I moved on to a better place that actually respects higher education. There can be things that drag me into that area of political discussion on occasion. I am still human with opinions, but am working on being less so.
An example: A former president waged a war against real scientists, so that pit me against him and his policies. In one of his first weeks in power, he slashed funding for science education grants and fired good scientists that did not agree with his way of thinking. I cannot support someone who rejects the principles of science simply because it does not fit their whims. I am happy he is no longer in power as I do not have to waste mental energy thinking about the ramifications of his bad policies in my area anymore. His attempts to lead the masses with bad advice on medical treatments with chemicals was a real PITA to me. I had to spend quality time away from focusing on my research projects by explaining to others why these ideas were not just bad, but outright harmful to do.
You have $ 1,000,000,000,000. What should you spend it on?
UBI?
Cancer treatment?
The fight against climate change?
Anti-Asteroid Nuclear Fusion Inter-Planetary Ballistic Missiles?
That is a political question where no scientific proof can guide us to the correct decision. And since we have limited resources at our disposal (something science *can* prove), we cannot simply choose "all of the above".
Political decisions require value judgments about different competing - and often mutually exclusive - outcomes.
As such, facts cannot stand on their own.
One cannot simply throw money at problems without creating other ones. You would have to prioritize each problem to see what could be budgeted. The catch is in what gets prioritized is also part of an opinion based upon the data at hand.
That being said, I am not without bias. I would spend the money developing anti-matter generation (using solar light) and designing a functional annihilation reactor to produce electrical energy. Part of this involves NLO materials that can convert EMS higher than visible light into lower forms that can be usable for solar cells. It is not an easy thing to do, but could reduce the environmental damage that other power sources cause. Annihilation is a higher form of nuclear energy production that is 100% energy conversion from matter/anti-matter, given off over the entire EMS. Current nuclear technology is no where near that good in power conversion.
It's 'Funny'; Trying To Convince Folks That Emotions
Rule Life on A Site Mostly Dedicated to Folks With
Issues with Social-Empathic-Intelligence Who
Are Among Those of the Broader Autism
Phenotype of Very Systemizing
Mechanical Cognition
Minds Without
As Many Colors of Emotions/FEELINGS
That Actually Influence Others to Inspire
Them to Actually Move. In Other Words, 'Politics'; The
The REAL Politics of Inspiring Others to Actually Act In Life;
Of Course, Yes, Until About the Age of 53, i Was Also Slow to
Understand the 'Facts' of Life; That 'REAL' Life isn't A Spread Sheet
All Of Numbers And Equations; or An Automative Repair Shop With
A Flow Chart to Solve Problems That Occur With Cars Seamlessly As Such;
Particularly
Now With
Replaceable
Computer Parts;
My God How Did Our Country
Get So Ignorant With A Total Liar;
A Three Ring Orange Circus Criminal of One Man In Charge;
Oh Goodness, Politics Is Never Truly Science; Indeed, IT IS 'The Art of The Deal';
Even If Ya Have to Get Ghost Authors To Write A Bible And Rule A Roman Empire too...
Oh Yeah, Religion Is Politics too; It is the Glue That Keeps Folks On the Same Choir Sheet In Church too.
Betcha, if i was A Shut-in, in my Bedroom For 66 Months, Spending the Last 33 Months of That on the Autism
Spectrum on a Site Specifically Tailored for Autistic Folks And Other Neurodiverse People Even Assessed
As Totally And Permanently Disabled By Both Law and Medical Doctors Same; In Just A Little Over A Year;
With Just A Free Solo Public Dance, With No Lessons at All, i Would Be Notified of Just How Famous
And Legend, i am After Doing that for a Little Over 2,000 Miles; WeLL It's True, in Trump Town
(By the Way, Shortly After i Recovered From the Pain, i Documented On 'This Site', To Come, There
Were No Limits FOR ME After That Around the July Through August 'Time Frame' of 2013, Then)
USA, You'd Practically Have to Deal With the Worst Pain Known to Humankind for 66 Months
To Have Tough Enough Skin to Even Do it the Length of a Football Field, Hehe; Particularly
In Walmart, Where Toxic Patriarchy Still Roams Most in Deep South States of Trump Land 'Hear'...
Anyway, the Installer Contractor for my New Front Door And Storm Glass Door From Lowe's Reminded
me Yesterday of Just How Far my Politics of Dance Influence Went as in Just A Year i Became Famous Enough
In the Halloween Season of 2014, For Boys In Middle School, To Dress Up Like Me With Shorts And Colorful Shirts
And Shades to Go Tricker-Treating as i was Recognized as Famous Enough in the Community All on my Solo
Dance Journey For Boys in Middle School To Be Inspired Enough by my Don't Give an F Attitude What Anyone
Thinks About me to Be
more
Like me
Than Other
'Super Heroes' For Halloween Hehe...
Oh Yeah, And in Case Anyone Believes this is Hyperbole;
One Perusal of Just One Last Blog Post With Over 1000 Selfies
With the Most Beautiful Metro Women Smiling Like They Were in
The 50's Dancing With 'Elvis Presley', Should Remove All Doubts of 'Hyperbole'
In How 'So-Called Word Think Intellect' is Not Required, Not Even A Word to Change the
World in Some Real Measurable Way; Even if it is only The Most Beautiful Smiles of Ecstatic Joy
(Yeah, Baby, i'm Still A Scientist By Old 'Scare Crow' Intellect At Least; Measure it all, i still Do
Observable As such Still Now; Yet IF You 'See', i am Also A ReFormed Lion And Tin Man too)
Perhaps
Ever
Gathered
in One Place
And One Time
On A Blog Post Ever HAha...
Other than That Sitting At A Restaurant
With My Sister And Her Gay Friend Who Rose
Up From Relative Poverty And All the Bullying One
Receives in a Trump Place of Life That Way Becoming
A Highest Level Paid Federal Employee Retiring At Higher
Pay Than Homophobic Mike Pence As Vice President; i Didn't Have
Many Approved Societal Achievements to Express; However, The Women
Waitresses Insisted That i Take a Selfie Photo With Them After i Complied
With Their Request For me to Dance in the Restaurant Solo For Them; Note,
i Kept My Shirt on; However, At The Dance Hall in the Parking Lot i endured
Requests From Young Women Crowded in Cars for me to take it off! Some Days
It isn't the Scientist
Who Leads;
And
Not Even the Leader
Who Inspires 'What' Most Drives the Human Species to 'Dance'...
Anyway, Of Course, i Still Have The Photo; The Empirical Evidence for that day...
Even the Car Load of Women; Yet i Won't Share That to Keep the Innocent 'Sweet';
We Are Never Gonna Have A Leader in Politics, Who Doesn't DO Something to
Move the Human Spirit to Action... Either Positive OR Negative Now...
i Do It In a Positive Way For No Pay...
Others Are Never Satisfied
And Empty Within;
Never Filled
Up With Only
Greed for the Love They
Will Never Generate Within or Genuinely Give Free...
On the Other Hand, Who In the Hell Would Wanna Be a
'Head of State
Politician'...
Rhetorical
Question it is...
i'll Stick with the Politics
of Dancing; The Reality of Loving Free, Just Being 'The Wind'...
In Short, Folks Have Different Personality Types That Can And Will
Change DRAMATICALLY too; Yet 'Scientist' And 'Leader' Are Generally on
The Opposite Spectrum Polar Points of the Human Condition; In short, IT WON'T WORK...
MOST LEADERS WILL CONTINUE to wanna be leaders; MOST SCIENTISTS WILL DO their special interest,
mostly solo too...
For me it was
Just a Special
Interest; Just A Different
Kind Than What Bill Gates,
Steve Jobs, And Elon Musk Enjoy AND JUST
DO WITH LASER FOCUS NO MATTER WHAT COMES NEXT...
i Don't Give Any F's About Being Famous Or Legend; Just Give
me A Smile of A Beautiful Woman And i am Whole And Complete Enough...
Yes That's my Special Interest, MaKinG Women Smile; Apparently The Young Men
Understood THE UltiMate Reward....
More About Those Rewards
of Poetry In 'Some Other
Topic', The Same; Hehe...
"Mama Don't Let Your Boys
Grow Up to Be Cowboys", if Ya
Want Them to Feel Whole and
Complete Not Drowned in A Tear And Beer Song
Or A Spread Sheet, Or A Science Project, Etc., too;
Teach 'em More to Be Like me, HeHe; Free Dance,
Song, And Smiling Women is Heaven at least NoW FoR Me..
And Just to 'Think', i Never Even Have to 'Grab Trump Cats' Or Say
A Word, in Dance At Least, to Feel 'Their Pleasure'; Yet Poetry is A Longer Story..
Oh Yeah, And Don't Forget Again, i Did All This Approaching 60 Years-Old and More still now;
Never too Late to Live
As Long
As We
Are
Breathing Now Free...
About 99 Percent of Folks
Don't Let Go Like This Until
Right Before Death to Be 'Wind'; Sadly in this
Life That's the Only Heaven Real They May Experience..
In
Shortest
Forevermorenow...
Longer Now... Why Wait...
Most Folks Are Just too Stuffed
With What They've Been Spoon-Fed From Birth...
Of course, iN only my Expanding View Still Now
Even One Smile Makes All i Do Worth it Still Now
And Just to Feel my Wife's Smile, Even More Beautiful; Heaven Breathes FoR ME AT Least..
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-me
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Scientists become political when they reach scientific conclusions that have implications that are inconvenient to those in power.
When climate change became increasingly obvious to climatologists, those who benefit from industries which cause climate change saw their wealth threatened. They then made it a political issue by paying politicians to say that climate change isn't settled science. (It is).
When medical science began to show that tobacco was unhealthy, those in the tobacco industry saw their wealth threatened. They then paid their politicians to argue against any public steps to curb tobacco use with vague excuses about personal responsibility and government overregulation.
Economics might be the science most politicized by the right. Current capitalist consensus benefits those with wealth. Those people are going to use their wealth to suppress economists who suggest that steps need to be taken to reduce poverty, environmental damage, and curb inequality. Those who benefit from inequality pay their politicians to channel public funds toward America- and capitalist-friendly economists; while also doing everything in their power to use politicians and the media to vilify left-of-center economists.
Science is almost always apolitical until it goes against the interests of those with power. If it goes against capitalist orthodoxy, then it isn't settle science and the debate needs to go on longer. Supposedly.
To the anti-science right there is no amount of debate that is enough to settle an issue like climate change. They know on some level they can't win the climate debate. They've decided to settle for prolonging it. They've settle for throwing billions of dollars at the issue so they can get the tiny 1% of climate scientists on their side that they need to convince their contrarian base that they think the things they think that the wealthy want them to think because they're such gosh darn smart free-thinkers, and not because they would rather be spoonfed knowledge by those with wealth and power than by scientists who never wanted this issue to be political. They just did not account on corporate puppet politicians and pundits being more concerned by wealth than reality.
Conservatives don't get unfairly run out of scientific circles because they're conservatives. They just are recognized for what they are: ignorant of the facts, corporate shills, or contrarians masquerading as free-thinkers. That, and if you actually take an objective, educated view of the facts in climate and social science, you would have a hard time remaining a conservative wrt those issues.
Conservatism gave up on scientific fact when it started to undermine corporate profits, American power, American exceptionalism, and biblical literalism.
To those who build their lives on those things, no amount of debate will ever be sufficient, and education suffers for it.
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I guess I just wasn't made for these times.
- Brian Wilson
Δυνατὰ δὲ οἱ προύχοντες πράσσουσι καὶ οἱ ἀσθενεῖς ξυγχωροῦσιν.
Those with power do what their power permits, and the weak can only acquiesce.
- Thucydides
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In short, IT WON'T WORK...
MOST LEADERS WILL CONTINUE to wanna be leaders; MOST SCIENTISTS WILL DO their special interest,
mostly solo too...
mostly solo means the real scientists and not the Politicians posing as such though.
![Mr. Green :mrgreen:](./images/smilies/icon_mrgreen.gif)
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speaking of ignorant experts, Plato suggested Philosphers rule.
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In short, IT WON'T WORK...
MOST LEADERS WILL CONTINUE to wanna be leaders; MOST SCIENTISTS WILL DO their special interest,
mostly solo too...
mostly solo means the real scientists and not the Politicians posing as such though.
![Mr. Green :mrgreen:](./images/smilies/icon_mrgreen.gif)
![Image](https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/84542844/science-is-the-belief-in-the-ignorance-of-experts.jpg)
speaking of ignorant experts, Plato suggested Philosphers rule.
Most of my Life, my Mind Was Described As A Computer By Others;
And in the Work Place, i Was Described As A Valuable Commodity;
What 19 Years of School, 3 Degrees, Most of the Way Through
Near to the Top of the Class, And 33 Years of Work Retiring
At Close to the Top of the Federal Standard Pay Grade Early
At Age 47; Yes, Early From What May Be Described As 'Autism Burn-out';
Yes, What That Taught
me is the Humble
Pie That i Basically
'Knew' Nothing of Value
in Life as my Poverty Was
Only Using Half A Mind; Smart
Without Art and Heart Without Art
Leaves S And M And Basically He; i Determined
To Get Really Rich And Truly THRiVE iN Life,
i Would Dance Free, i Still Do and it Works;
In Other
Words,
Dance Rules
And Now i Thrive;
My Wife Also Rules;
Which Means it's Not Necessary
For me to Do Any Adulting Now; And i Do Not..
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It depends what area of science. Broader systems and their integrity won't go well with maximum extraction of natural resources for widgets or millions of tons of CO2 getting pumped into the atmosphere. OTOH if you start looking at things like genetics, heritability, especially IQ, that's where science tends to go 'based' and where you get scholars chased out of positions, off stages, etc.. That last point is something that both Sam Harris and Steven Pinker have expressed concerns about publicly, ie. the stifling of discussion around it almost turns into a freebee or false credential for the far right and yields no liberal or reasonably left-of-center adjusted story as to what to do with the contents of said containers.
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