How you were raised vs. your current beliefs...

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17 Feb 2022, 10:10 pm

What do you do when you figure out you resonate with other beliefs than how you were raised, but how you were raised you were raised where you were taught there was only one way and deviating from that way leads to a bad afterlife???

I bought a book that explains different religions, and I found my current beliefs seem to be a wierd mix of possible Buddism, Scientific/Evolutionary teaching with a little Neopagan... But I was raised Fundamentalist Evangelical Christian.

The thing is I literally grew up that if I changed my beliefs, I'd go to Hell. If I believed in Evolution, Hell, but now I'm fascinated with it. meditation and mindfulness, not Christian. Etc...

My therapist told me I'm an adult, I can choose my own path, but this not how I was raised at all. It's causing several issues...

I mean I'm not trying to bash all Christians and I don't wanna be accused of this, but I still have people pressure me to believe in one way, Hell and stuff like that.


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17 Feb 2022, 10:18 pm

Sure, you were raised one way, but... do you believe in Hell? in case you don't, it shouldn't be that much of a threat.

part of growing up is learning that our parents and the community we grew up in weren't the chosen people who got everything right, but just as flawed and confused as everyone else.
Your therapist put it in a positive way: you're an adult, you're free to chose.
I'd put it in a more troubling, existentialist way: you're human, you're asked to chose *something*, whether or not you asked for it.


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17 Feb 2022, 10:32 pm

Luckily I was raised secularly, religion played no part in my life at all. Nothing has changed.
I wasn't raised particularly politically, and though we share some but not all values, my parent and I don't vote the same at all - when we even do.


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17 Feb 2022, 10:40 pm

shlaifu wrote:
Sure, you were raised one way, but... do you believe in Hell? in case you don't, it shouldn't be that much of a threat.

part of growing up is learning that our parents and the community we grew up in weren't the chosen people who got everything right, but just as flawed and confused as everyone else.
Your therapist put it in a positive way: you're an adult, you're free to chose.
I'd put it in a more troubling, existentialist way: you're human, you're asked to chose *something*, whether or not you asked for it.


When Hell is drilled into your head at a young age it's hard to get rid of the concept...


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18 Feb 2022, 5:37 am

I was raised Pentecostal, but I am now Lutheran.

However, I have researched the works of liberation theologists and more progressive versions of Christianity. I am also influenced by Mordechai Kaplan and reconstructionist Judaism.

I think a lot of the Bible is metaphorical, and that God is a personification of nature. I also think that modern science is fully compatible with the Abrahamic religions.


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18 Feb 2022, 12:36 pm

I was raised in a conservative household with Christian values. I was able to deprogram myself by watching comedic deconstructions of BS viewpoints.

Example: Mom made me sit through Passion of the Christ. I went through a short phase of anti-Semitism. One episode of South Park later and I vowed never again to allow my mind to be filled with toxic ideas.


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18 Feb 2022, 1:34 pm

Live in a conservative Muslim majority country, raised by atheist/ materialistic (in a religious sense) non- religious parents, my beliefs are all over the place but i definitely believe in one God, Heaven and Hell.



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Freedom From 'the Dogmas of Religions', Such A Blessing

Indeed; And Also So Hard to Do 'Back in the Day,' Before
The Internet And "Contact," With The Rest of the World Seeing

Reality So Much Differently Than the Locality i LiVE iN That once
Held the Record For the Most Christian Churches Per Capita And

Definitely Mostly Evangelistic Fundamentalist Too, to Make "Matters"
of Life And 'Things' Even More Dogmatic in Metaphor of Left Brain Ways
of Restrictive Literal Ways, of Seeing the World in Black All Bad, White All Good

Ways,
So Sure
'They' Would
Be Rewarded the
Carrot of Heaven And
Avoid the Stick of Hell

AFTER BREaTHiNG LiFE

If they Just Followed Every
Rule Black And White As the
So-Called Chosen Ones Still
From A Dirt Patch Small of the Middle

East; Oh Lord, Such A BiggeR UNiVeRSE And
Beyond As Carl Sagan's Religion of Science Will
Seem So Much More Real as "We aRe Truly Made of
Star Stuff," And Are "The Cosmos Unto Itself," And What Makes
This Existence Bearable Now is Our Connections to Each Other
Moving, Connecting, Co-Creating Free As Related in the Great

Sagan, Inspired Movie "Contact,"
Yes, With Jodie Foster, Playing
The Part of Astronaut, Going
Really Nowhere Yet A Mystical
Journey Within; Oh My Gosh, An Experience
of What Someone Might Metaphor As the Verb of
God Being That Way Just Naked, Enough, Whole, Complete;

Yep, BeLief, BeLeaf, BeLove, Living Trees Forest Whole Giving,
Sharing, Caring, Healing Ever More With Least Harm For All Now; Water,
Wave, Ocean Whole Free; Free, Just God Dammed, No Longer Dammed;

Free, As Any
Body of Water
With Wings to Be
WaveS Ocean Whole;

And One of The Best Things of All
Haha, i Am even Free to Touch Myself
Without RisKinG Burning Forever, AFTER DEATH, Hehe...

Lord Knows, HiSToRiCaLLY, i Feel Like A Real Fool Now Believing
Then, Dogma of Pleasure is Bad; And Folks Are Unworthy
of Living on the Planet Earth Now Without Worshipping

A Dude
Who
Died,
Dead,
Dead,
Dead, Some
2,000 Years or So
Ago; Although True,
i Do Still Kind of Like
"Moonlight Sonata," Yet
i Worship The Art, Not The
Form Who Created The Art Then;
The Essence, Yes, So Far Beyond Dogma;

ART of HeART Set Free, Right Hemispheric Laden
Social-Empathic, Artistic; More Holistic, Spiritual
Emotional Intelligences For Real Set Free, to Create,

Create,

SoUL
Wings

Art

Setting
iMaGiNaTioN
Free; No More Dogma,
To Chain the Wings of
DiViNE iMaGiNaTioN; Creativity Within! For Real!SPiRiT!

Hallelujah! Praise the Free, i AM LoVE iNCaRNaTE NoW!NeW!
A Most Pure Form of Just Positive Energy to Emanate Wherever i Go;

Like Anyone Else, as Far as i See, Feel, And Sense; For Others Who Set
Themselves Free From the Dogma of All Religions, Including Dogma of
Philosophy, Politics, And Even Science, As Let's Face Facts, the Scientific

Method is Kinda
Cool And Reliable

Yet It Is No Way Yet to
Measure the Within of
Our Inner Multi-Uni-Verses

More Fully

In All the Colors, SHaDES of
Grey, and BLacK Abyss; And Even
Beyond Rainbow Colors of Real Heaven
Within That Ironically Science Even Shows
is Real Now True, And Even No Woo, Now For Real Too...

Yet Ya See, Not All the Folks in my Locality Escaped to
Places Like College Before the Big Internet Revolution; Some
of them Stayed As Homeboys and Or Homegirls Simply Not Exposed

to Other Views
of Reality Others
Experienced More
in Other Areas of the World...

Going to A University, Attracting
Students Around the World, First Day
i Ever Met Anyone Who Ever Admitted
They Were an 'Atheist' Then; First Person,

i Ever Met, When the Name "Jesus" Was Uttered,
Who Rolled Their Eyes and Said, "Well, i'm Not Really

Sure if He
Actually
Existed," with a Smirk...

Like Anthropology Classes;
First Day i Ever Heard a Teacher
Criticize The Negative Aspects of
Christianity Then, Although it Did Seem

Rather Strange That there Was A Hippy Looking, Long Haired (Like The Ones They
Spit on in my Locality, Including me) Dude With a Beard In A Portrait Then Above My
Childhood Bed As Studies Shows Now it is Likely, Leonardo DaVinci, Who Gave Jesus
That Eccentric Look That Wasn't Even in Style, When Leonardo Walked the Earth Then,
Or In Old Jerusalem/Bethlehem Either; However, Folks Do Give Some Latitude Still to
Be Different

For the

More Gifted
Among us too;

However, Social Science
SHows, my Locality in the
Panhandle of Florida is the
Most Difficult Place to Be Different
in the United States; No Surprise, With
Several Big Disciplined Military Installations
And So Many Churches, Although They Are Starting
to Go Closed on Wednesdays and Such As That And the

Congregations are Going More Progressively Gray; and Even
Science Shows that Nation-Wide, Catholics at 70 Percent, Don't Even
Believe in the 'Magic Church Ceremony' of Changing Bread into A Literal

Eucharist
of the Literal
Body of Jesus
to EAT and That
Wine Thingy As Blood
Before COVID-19 Took
Away Sharing one Glass of Wine (Blood)
Among MultitudeS; How Gross is that
Anyway When Ya Really Think About Swapping

That Much
Congregating Spit...

Yeah, Or OH, NO, 'Water-
Boarding-Lite' Little Babies
For Baptism Screaming
to the Top of their Lungs;
Afraid the Ones they Trusted
The Most Are Drowning them
With the Anti-Drown Reflex Fully Employed SCREAMING;

And True, Male Genital Mutilation is Still Somewhat
oF An Atrocity; Like Female Genital Mutilation too;

Anyway, Other than Buying The 'Corn Syrup' That
Women Who Weren't Virgins Were Some How Tainted Souls

Along with the No Touching the 'Merchandise' For Breed
Before Marriage

AS How Many
Folks Actually
Limit That Human
Propensity for Real Anyway...

(Clue: Surely Not 'The Majority')

i Still Returned to Church After Leaving
All the Dogma Behind; Yep, i Left All the Dogma Behind...

Simply Discarding That Chaff, Leaving A Pay-Grade, Pay-Rate,
And Currency of Love (Wheat) to Replace All the Dogma THAT Chaff With

RiSinG
Rose of
me For Real;
To Give, Share,
Care, Heal Freely
With Least Harm

And On Top of that
The Elderly Ladies Surely
Swoon Over my Singing Voice
That Every Once in a While Leads
the Choir From the Back Row Free too

in 'Coca-Cola'

Perfect Enough

Now Peace and
Harmony For me At least...

Whatever They Say, i Change into Love,
And i Forgive the Ignorance as Ignorance

Has Simply Not LEarned to See Yet; Yet When
They Harm Anyone; They ARE Gonna Hear From me;
YES, And They Have, And They've Put A Stop To Deacon's Verbally

Abusing Gay Folks, Single Women, And Even 'Evil' Hurricanes
Spreading Warmth, So the Rest of the Ocean Will Thrive More

In Nature of Life;

Unfortunately,

i Couldn't Stop the
'Trump Trope' From
Spreading Like A Pandemic;

Yet Hey, i'm Only Human; All
i Have NoW iS A Pen and Piece of Digital
Paper; And Free Verse Poetry to Change
the World a Little Bit More Toward A SMile
For All, WHeRE i Live, And Do LoVE At Least

(Really Though, 16,206 Miles of Public Dance Now
in 101 Months, Works Much Better With No Words
at All, Than 10.2 MiLLioN Words of EPiC Longest Long
Form Poetry Freest Verse Now in 102 Months of That Part of
my Personal Religion, Ever Since August 18, 2013, Set So Dammed Free)

In Simply/Complexly
Effortless Ease Continually
More Potential UnWRaPPinG in Autotelic Flow
Of Dance And Song, So Very EPiCaLLy Free NoW

NeW, WHeRe Every Move Becomes A Holy And Sacred Autotelic
Flow in Feelings Senses Emotions of Free Dance And Song of Poetry

True iN
LiGHT too...
And On the Other
HandS AGAiN, i Can't
Really Blame Folks For
Not Seeing ALLNature As
God As Someone Like me
Whose Elders First Settled
Close to Sugar White Beaches, Emerald Green Waves, Swaying Sea Oats,
Seagull Wings me Just Naked, Enough, Whole, Complete Living ALL ONE Spiraling
Around This Free Sunshine Above So Below Within Now; Not Everyone Lives HeaR
WHeRE i Do; And i am FoRTuNaTE i Do, So Close to the 'Contact' of Pensacola Beach FOR REAL

As Navarre
Beach Adjacent
WHeRE mY Elders
Settled, Even More Beautiful
Pristine Pure, Worthy of A Name

Much
Greater
Than Just
A Three Or
Five or Every Letter Word...

True, i Also Agree With
Carl Sagan's Religion As
So Beautifully Expressed in the Movie "Contact"

And 'For Real' GlobAlly Wide NoW As "REAL Avatars"
Will Fly Free Now

too

At the
Speed
oF LoVE FoR ReaL...

There is No Escaping Religion in Some Form
From Essence, It is the Shared Symbols And
Ideologies Humans Bond and Bind Over As Hairless
Apes Now Still Strong Enough to Survive And Thrive;

A Religion of iNHaLinG Peace, EXHaLinG LoVE iN JoY oF LiGHT
For All Might Be So Very Nice, if We Come For Contact to BREaTHE
ThiS Way

Free,

Giving,
Sharing,
Caring, Healing,
More Freely With Least
Harm for All; Generally
Speaking, What Humans Do

When they Actually Really Need
Each Other to Survive, Foraging, Even Thriving ALiVE For
Real Dancing the Night Away in Autotelic Flow to Rhythm
of HeART Beats

in Synch

iN Free Moving,
Connecting, Co-Creating
'Contact,' Where The Child
Becomes The Ultimate Prize
of the Village to Raise As Love
ACross Entire LifeSpans DarK Thru LiGHT

TWiLiGHT

Ever More

Balancing
Now As Play
Slays Fear and
Love Survives As US
ToGeTHeR Again Free;
Is IT Anything New, Not ReAlly;
Just Being Human NoW As Naturally
Evolved; Naked, Enough, Whole, Complete
Living in Relatively Small Homogenous Groups

And THeRE iN Lies
And Tells the Truth of
The Problems; Our Love
For Each Other Has Made
Tools of Words And Swords
And Silos to Store Grains Meanwhile

We've Been
Clothed
Away

From Loving
Free So Far Away
in Layers of Clothing From Who
We Even Naked, Enough, Whole,
Complete Are ToGeTHeR AGAiN Real
As Skyscrapers Built From Angles Touch

the Sky

So Lost From
Angel Wings
Now Breathing
Love ToGeTHeR
Again Within New; So Naked,
Enough, Whole, Complete Freer
Again, In Relatively Small Homogenous
Groups in Balance With 'The Circle of Life

Breathing
Freer' ALiVE NoW...

Yawn, Too Big to See;
Too Small to Fix it; That
i Leave Up To Each Individual
Loving
IT All

Free;

Similar
Perhaps,
Loving iT ALL Like me..:)




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18 Feb 2022, 6:40 pm

I am coming from Roman catholic background. Mom was religious more than dad, but I cannot say that any of them were devoted Christians. It was more like a tradition than spiritual thing. One of my grandmothers was really religious, though, even though that in hindsight, she was an awful, hateful and toxic person who was dragging everyone down. Well, she's still technically alive, but do have Alzheimer's which made her easier to bear with, surprisingly.

When it comes to my experiences, I've been very religious back when I was 14-16 years old. This was a time when I started to have serious issues with not being able to stop my brain running at highest gear all the time. I was constantly in state of intense thinking about several things at once. Nature of universe, god and so one were some of the subjects. I've read the Bible multiple times, then read many works of people who were studying and interpreting the Bible.

At the same time, though, I was consuming insane amounts of other texts, ranging from scientific studies about insects, to "Capital" by Marx. This lead me to apply logic and scientific method, evaluating everything in my life with those. Religion was one of things. I've started to think more critically about all of this stuff and one day came to a conclusion that believing something without a proof is an insult to rational mind. So, analysing my faith and things I've believed in, over time I came to a conclusion: this is BS. I rejected faith and religion entirely. This felt like breaking chains that dragged me down. I've stopped worrying about hell, stopped longing for heaven - focused on what's real, here and now. It was like surfacing and taking a deep breath after a dive. Liberating.

These days I am not only an atheist, but also antitheist. Came to a conclusion that existence of beliefs and religion is a negative thing for whole humanity as species, even though they may make lives of some better. One sentence written by Hitchens describes this stance much better than anything I can come up with:

I'm not even an atheist so much as I am an antitheist; I not only maintain that all religions are versions of the same untruth, but I hold that the influence of churches, and the effect of religious belief, is positively harmful.

In case I am wrong and it turns out that there is some god(s)/higher power etc. then judging by an observable evidence, these must be amoral entities/forces and worth contempt, not devotion to.



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18 Feb 2022, 8:35 pm

My mother is Jewish. My father was Catholic (he's deceased).

Religion wasn't very important----but they both believed in God.

They don't really care all that much that I don't believe in God.



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18 Feb 2022, 9:33 pm

I came from a Roman Catholic household or so that's how it is. Thankfully not a strict one.

As a child there's a lot of praying at school and every Sundays masses.
It gave me nothing but conclude that holy masses are but a noisy waste of time.

However, I'm still surrounded by religious cultures and myths. None of the religious stuff ever touched my core or beliefs at all.

I'm even more interested at the animistic beliefs and it's aspects, along with older cultural practices likely originated from Hindu or Buddhist practices than the current overt Christian related religious beliefs from the churches.

I don't believe in God or higher power the way like they do.
And thankfully no one forced me.


Most religions stuff I kept seeing are still just rituals of different cultures for me.

My own beliefs however?
I'm not sure. :lol: It's definitely not coming from or because of my upbringing.
In fact my upbringing 'lacks' the 'terms' and guides that could make sense of mine.


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19 Feb 2022, 7:59 pm

I was raised Catholic, but with all sorts of other influences thrown in, as well. I grew up with friends of various Judo-Christian religions and it was encouraged in that time and space (1960s-1970s) to visit each other's churches or synagogues and talk about the faith differences. I also found my influences more in the social justice sections of the church than the conservative ones, and spent time in college then young adulthood branching out deeper into theology of various persuasions. So while I married a Catholic and taught my kids the Catholic faith tradition, I never saw it as a closed loop and never felt the level of strictness in the faith that many others raised in the church have felt. I see my church as similar to the family I grew up in; a tradition you love and honor, but not necessary emulate, crazy uncles and all.

I still myself as Catholic but the habit of attending weekly church fell quickly to the wayside while trying to raise nuero-diverse children, and I haven't managed to reacquire the habit, especially now we've been dealing with the pandemic. I still have faith, but in many ways it's pretty much "my" faith at this point; I don't think any religion holds the single answer, but there is so much history and culture in the Catholic tradition that feels important to share and understand; keep the best, chuck the rest. Pope Francis fits the moment, IMHO, and I was relieved when he took over; the previous Pope had left me seriously wondering if I could continue to connect to the church at all.

My kids ... well, my son connects to the tradition more than specific details in the theology, and my daughter ended up with too many overly conservative catechism teachers and is pretty fully turned away at this point. My inability to fully pass on the beautiful aspects of faith and religion without getting the kids tangled in some of the more negative dogma is one of my disappointments as a parent; we want to pass on the things we see as good. But both my kids are well centered and inherently good people living positive lives in this world, so maybe I did my job after all and the changes to their ways of viewing faith were inevitable.


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19 Feb 2022, 8:21 pm

Angnix wrote:
What do you do when you figure out you resonate with other beliefs than how you were raised, but how you were raised you were raised where you were taught there was only one way and deviating from that way leads to a bad afterlife???

I bought a book that explains different religions, and I found my current beliefs seem to be a wierd mix of possible Buddism, Scientific/Evolutionary teaching with a little Neopagan... But I was raised Fundamentalist Evangelical Christian.

The thing is I literally grew up that if I changed my beliefs, I'd go to Hell. If I believed in Evolution, Hell, but now I'm fascinated with it. meditation and mindfulness, not Christian. Etc...

My therapist told me I'm an adult, I can choose my own path, but this not how I was raised at all. It's causing several issues...

I mean I'm not trying to bash all Christians and I don't wanna be accused of this, but I still have people pressure me to believe in one way, Hell and stuff like that.


To answer your question, what I would suggest is really meditating and praying on the questions. Open yourself up to let God speak to you with what He uniquely feels is the best path for you. I do not believe there is a one-size fits all path, regardless of what we were taught as kids. I've seen the grace of God in people of all sorts of faiths, and I've seen evil in people of all sorts of faiths. I do not believe that any one faith has all the answers. Each seems to hold in answers in ways that suit unique personalities and cultures or even times in history. Sometimes God wants to challenge us by keeping us in an awkward fit; sometimes He means for us to challenge others; sometimes He means for us to take a different path. I can't know what He intends for any one, unique person. Ultimately only you can know. I do believe that if you are a person of faith and really spend time in contemplation, the answer should come to you. Once you feel certain you've had that moment, you hold onto it as all the other doubts and voices creep in.

Does this help at all?


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19 Feb 2022, 8:26 pm

I was raised as a Fundamentalist Christian. Around the age of 12 I realized it was all a badly constructed fairytale. I mean, Noah's ark? C'mon.

I'm now agnostic.



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19 Feb 2022, 8:51 pm

My parents are atheists who both came from religious backgrounds but left their respective religions.

I was sent to a very Christian primary school despite this because it had a good reputation. Unfortunately, it fell under new management and promptly went downhill. My parents attended Church for about a week or so to meet the necessary requirements to get me into that school. I was sometimes conflicted because my parents were adamant atheists but my school mocked atheists and told me Christianity was the only acceptable belief. Personally I always had my doubts but I pushed them down because I was so concerned about being a good kid. I wanted validation so badly. So I dismissed the questions I had as stupid and reasoned that they were just further proof that I was inherently broken and evil.

However, when I started high school, I was suddenly surrounded by people of varying belief systems. It made me think about how they likely believe what they believe because that's what they were taught. That we weren't so different after all. I went to an RS (religious studies) lesson where we talked about the various different theories about how the world came into existence. That lesson made me think about my beliefs. It made me question what I believed, putting shame aside for a moment. So I read up about different religions. I looked into Agnosticism. Then I looked into Atheism. I looked into the questions I had but had previously been too ashamed to ask. Then I came to the conclusion that I don't believe in God. I started identifying as an atheist, which was a little odd at first, re-evaluating everything. Now it feels odd looking back thinking that I ever used to be religious. I became an atheist when I was twelve.


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19 Feb 2022, 11:59 pm

While I was raised in a mainline Protestant (Lutheran) family, the opinion about homosexuality I grew up with was that it was an unnatural and Godless perversion. A big part of that was the time period that I had grown up in -the late 1960's into the 1980's - when most people had that idea. Luckily as an adult, I developed my own opinions about the subject, understanding that it was not a choice, that in a free society everyone should be able to love who they want, and that to be a real Christian one must be empathetic to the emotions and pain of others. That, and as an adult, many of my circle of friends are of the LGBTQ community.


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