We need to stop labeling dissidents as "conspiracy theorists

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salad
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03 Jun 2021, 11:15 pm

It's very patronizing and a massive stifling of very much needed nuanced discourse by affirming one and only one position and narrative, and branding all deviance and dissent from the official narrative as dissent. Right now we're finding out that Fauci is a corrupt scumbag who put a lid on many of the details of the Coronavirus, that masks don't actually work, and lo and behold Covid-19 escaped from a lab - basically what the "conspiracy theorists" were arguing for a long time.

Look let me just put it out there: of course there are legitimately idiotic conspiracy theorists. Of course QAnon peddles some outrageous drivel that makes even me nauseate. And of course David Icke is crazy and so is Alex Jones

But not everyone who questions the mainstream or orthodox is David Icke or Alex Jones. Given the corruption of the media, the level of censoriousness that pervades this country, of course the official narrative for everything will seem the most trustworthy when facts that contradict it are censored and suppressed.

Im not saying every and any conspiracy theory is right because the mainstream is always wrong; all I'm saying is that the mainstream isn't necessarily right and that sometimes what may sound crazy can actually be true.

The idea of a conspiracy itself isn't too farfetched. Didn't the cabal that assassinated Julius Caesar, was that not a conspiracy? In the dramatized play of that event written by Shakespeare there was a scene where a man with a letter tried to warn Caesar of his impending death by the assassins, and Caesar dismissed it in modern parlance as nothing but a conspiracy. If Caesar were alive today and the paper warning of his assassination were to circulate, modern day fact checkers and truth monopolizers would insist that the letter is "fake news" and ban it....until the assassination happens and everyone who scoffed at it as a conspiracy is made to look like an idiot.


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03 Jun 2021, 11:30 pm



Nah, The Fauci Email Wasn't Different From
Fauci's View on Masks At The Time it was
Written; This Is Just 'Faux News Hyperbole';

And Scientists Are Taking Another Look At How

The Virus Originated; The Study Is Not Complete...

Fauci Only

Reflected The

Consensus of the

Science Community At The Time.

Guess What, Science Results Change With More Data...

In Other Words, This is Basically Just Another Developing 'Faux News'

Conspiracy Theory...

Things Change;

It's Reality;

And Science

Results Change

Based on More Data....

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"Fauci's email to Sylvia Burwell, presumed to be the same Sylvia Burwell who served as U.S. secretary of health and human services during the Obama administration, was sent on February 5, more than a month before the pandemic was declared. The contents of the private correspondence, one of many emails obtained by Buzzfeed News and The Washington Post, did not significantly differ from Fauci's public views on masks at the time.

Fauci, who is currently President Joe Biden's chief medical adviser, told Burwell that she did not need to wear a mask during an upcoming trip, particularly because she was "going to a very low risk location." He explained that store-bought masks were "really for infected people to prevent them from spreading infection to people who are not infected rather than protecting uninfected people from acquiring infection."


https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01383-3


https://www.newsweek.com/critics-call-fire-dr-fauci-after-emails-show-him-saying-masks-dont-work-against-covid-1597034



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04 Jun 2021, 2:38 am

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04 Jun 2021, 5:35 am

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04 Jun 2021, 6:08 am

Dissidents need to stop being conspiracy theorists.



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04 Jun 2021, 6:34 am

A good example is what is on the news recently.

With all the obvious lies being pushed about this vaccine, it is no wonder why people don't want it.

If the news concentrated on speaking the truth and not trying to manipulate people, more people would have the vaccine as they would not be so cautious.



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04 Jun 2021, 6:48 am

The fact that so many people on WP are desperately clutching conspiracy theories just props up my belief that autistic folks aren't actually more logical than NTs, they're just better at rationalizing their own emotions.

It also reaffirms my suspicion that this place is in a death spiral with ever slowing traffic, and the few posters who remain are content to squawk about Fauci/nazi/evil vaccine/ooga booga!

Whelp...back to Reddit I go....


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04 Jun 2021, 7:17 am

salad wrote:
It's very patronizing and a massive stifling of very much needed nuanced discourse by affirming one and only one position and narrative, and branding all deviance and dissent from the official narrative as dissent. Right now we're finding out that Fauci is a corrupt scumbag who put a lid on many of the details of the Coronavirus, that masks don't actually work, and lo and behold Covid-19 escaped from a lab - basically what the "conspiracy theorists" were arguing for a long time.

You might be missing the human element in this analysis. For a lot of people getting to call other people 'conspiracy theorists' is what they wanted to do anyway. It's a cheap/easy one-up, and never easier than when someone isn't backing the status quo.


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04 Jun 2021, 7:55 am

Its about control
Ridicule is a powerful weapon and they use it because it works to control people.



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04 Jun 2021, 8:22 am

XFilesGeek wrote:
The fact that so many people on WP are desperately clutching conspiracy theories just props up my belief that autistic folks aren't actually more logical than NTs, they're just better at rationalizing their own emotions.
I once coined the term "Emotistical" to describe such people.  It never caught on.
XFilesGeek wrote:
It also reaffirms my suspicion that this place is in a death spiral with ever slowing traffic, and the few posters who remain are content to squawk about Fauci/nazi/evil vaccine/ooga booga!
Sometimes, the only course of action left is to get rid of all the unhappy people* and start over.
XFilesGeek wrote:
Whelp...back to Reddit I go....
OUCH!  We are not ALL as bad as that, are we?

*Dissidents, conspiracy theorists, Trump fanatics, and closet racists/sexists (the same 5 or 6 people, anyway).

:D Happy!  Happy!  Joy!  Joy!



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04 Jun 2021, 8:57 am

salad wrote:
Right now we're finding out that Fauci is a corrupt scumbag who put a lid on many of the details of the Coronavirus, that masks don't actually work, and lo and behold Covid-19 escaped from a lab - basically what the "conspiracy theorists" were arguing for a long time.

What is your source for the first two?



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04 Jun 2021, 9:04 am

salad wrote:
... Fauci is a corrupt scumbag...
Evidence, please?
salad wrote:
... who put a lid on many of the details of the Coronavirus...
Evidence, please?
salad wrote:
... masks don't actually work...
Evidence, please?
salad wrote:
... Covid-19 escaped from a lab...
Evidence, please?
salad wrote:
... what the "conspiracy theorists" were arguing for a long time.
There is still no proof that those conspiracy theorists are correct -- there is only doubt, either way.



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04 Jun 2021, 9:37 am

Not everyone sees the world through the same lens. People on this website should be painfully aware of this. I know I am.
Two different people can view the same thing and walk away with two differing accounts of what happened. Everyone is going to interpret reality through their own worldview, experience, bias, and beliefs. Some have greater intuition some don't. Some have better analytic ability and some do not. Just because my friend sees the world differently doesn't make him a conspiracy theorist of a evil person. We have the freedom to disagree with anyone.



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04 Jun 2021, 9:42 am

While the coronavirus MAY have escaped from a lab, it also MAY have been passed along from bats to humans through some poorly-prepared batwing soup.  There is so far no conclusive evidence either way.

The fact that something may be possible does not mean that it is certain; but once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth.

We will just have to wait and see...



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04 Jun 2021, 9:48 am



Never Dismiss the Power of 'Group Think/Do';

Group Think/Do Will Bond Over Any Ignorance

For The Sake of the Warm And Fuzzies Group Think/Do Brings;

Or Just Plain Old Fear, Hate, And Discontent, For If There Are

No Positive Emotions/Feelings/Empathy/Compassion/(Overall Love)

to Drive Humans to Live; God

Devil Yes Negative Ones

Are the

Next

Best

Step Up
to Keep Surviving
In Other Wise Scarcity...

Yawn, i Just Came From Another

Place Where A Young Woman Said

She Adores me and my Comments

For my Poetic Way of Describing Nature;

(Links Provided if Necessary for Evidence)

Welcome (There) to A Positive Way of Social Bonding

Wherever You May Go Next, Where That Is How People

Are able to Bond Best in Terms of Flowers And Butterflies on Spring

Days

Year

Round...

So Why The Hell Would i Come
(R H E T O R i C aL Question)
Back Here to This Place With All

The Conspiracy Theories And Basically

Fear, Hate, And Discontent; Well That's Because

When Ignorance, Fear, Hate, And Discontent LiVE iN

An Echo Chamber, There is No Room For Change; Just Like

When i Go to Church And Do the Same Thing There; Not Everyone

Is Cut out to Go to Places Where Folks Do Not Agree With Their Views on Life;

However,

If All We

Have is Echo
Chambers of Ignorance,
Fear, Hate, And Discontent;

The Flowers And Butterflies

And Even The Bees May Go Away

And All We May Be Left With Is the 'Orange Trump God Meme'

And Those Singing 'HIS' Praises at Church And State Events;

So i Get Around; Hell And Heaven is A Natural Part of Life;

to Ignore one is to Fall into the Other Eventually as It Doesn't

Matter if it's

Hell or

Heaven;

'Hairless Apes'

Are Stronger Together...

There Are Lots of Opportunities

to Join Facebook, YouTube, And Other

Communities of Ignorance, Fear, Hate,

And Yes Overall Discontent About Breathing

Where Any Other Input is Banned, Deleted, Shadow

Banned Or Otherwise Disposed of That Fits the 'Narrative'

of the George Orwell Meme of Burning All the 'Other Books';

i Choose to

Come Here

to Be More Enlightened

About the Other Side of

Life Where Both Sides

Are Allowed

to

Speak Their Mind;

Not Everyone Wants to be
Challenged And That's Why
The Membership is Dwindling Here

in Part; There Are 'Zillions' of Opportunities

For Misery and Suffering to Enjoy Echo Chambers Same...

Sticks And Stones May Break My Bones; And Hell is No Fun Either...

However, oh, it makes the Comments of 'i Adore You And Your Comments'

(Or My Intelligence Is off the Charts As Professionally Assessed)

Never Get Old hehe...

i Veer From ONLY

Instant

Gratification

As That too is

A Highway to Feeling Nothing At all...

Yawn, Bring On All The 'Stoning Words' With SMiles...

Or Just Ignore me As It's Totally Satisfying to See my

Soul On

Any Screen Play...

Have A Wonderful!
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Forever! Butterfly Winged! Day!

Or Be A QCicada Anon And Go Underground For '17' Years...

Just So Many Avenues in Life to Enjoy We May Actually Do Or Do Not...

The Key Here is to Be Human Enough And to Understand Not Everyone Is

Gifted or Cursed Same...

If You Are

Able to

Do That;

You May Consider

Yourself Most Gifted
FOR REAL TO Give With
No Expectation to Receive
Where Give Becomes Receive...

The Secret to Heaven; Real Heaven
Within That Makes Heaven Or Hell
The Same Place of Eternal Bliss...

Oh How i Love

'The Wrong

Planet' too!

Now

This Is Success!

True Unwavering Success!! !

Carry On And Enjoy It The Way 'You' Do too...!

In, Overall Avenues of Preparing Ways For Living;

On This Site That is Infamous For Conspiracy Theories;

Rebutting All the Conspiracy Theories of 'Autism
Speaks' The Charitable Organization As An Under
Cover 'Nazi Eugenics Organization' Makes Rebutting

All the Other

Conspiracy

Theories A Piece of Trump Cake...

If Ya Wanna Get Good At Something

Practice, i Successfully Rebutted All Those

Autism Speak Conspiracy Theories Here and

Other Places Where the Ignorance Was Spewed

For 33 Months Just to Get my Mind off the Worst Pain

Known to Humankind, The Suicide Disease, From Wake
to Sleep; Yes, Type Two Trigeminal Neuralgia And A Synergy
of 18 Other Life Threatening Conditions All Generally Associated
From Work Related Stress And What is Commonly Termed 'Autism
Burnout' and Even Studied in Scientific Literature, Using Some of my
Resources As References, Shut-in my Bedroom For 66 Months in my
Frigging Underwear; And The Conspiracy Theorists Insisted That i Was

So Dam

Good At
It, 'Autism

Speaks' Had to Be

Paying Me 'Handsomely For
It; As A Full Time Employee on
The Wrong Planet And Other Conspiracy
Theory Tainted Autism Communities; Truly
That Was Amusing Enough to Keep Living... hehe...

So...

i...

Return...

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04 Jun 2021, 9:56 am

Fnord wrote:
While the coronavirus MAY have escaped from a lab, it also MAY have been passed along from bats to humans through some poorly-prepared batwing soup.  There is so far no conclusive evidence either way.

The fact that something may be possible does not mean that it is certain; but once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth.

We will just have to wait and see...


You can however make probability judgements in this case. While proof may never be available, a reasonable person can say it is more likely than not now that it was an escape from a lab and is increasingly likely to have been a man-made virus, not one of natural origin. Note: this is not saying that it was a deliberately released bioweapon.


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