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14 Aug 2007, 2:28 am

I went to a seminar last night where Dawkins was reading from his book. All the way through, Christians were tearing ofF their crosses and beads and throwing them away while Dawkins cheered then for seeing reason. However, I jUSt sat through it with a smug smile on my face, waiting to drop my bomb that would defeat him utterley for the last time.

Al the end of the talk I stood up and said, " so basically you deny God from lack of evidence." he said "yes".

I said "I have no evidence of your thoughts, do I? So how do I know you have a brain???"

He just stood there, quivering. Then he fell to his knees and started crying, "God forgive me, what have I done, I have sinned, what have I done".
Then he crawled away on his hands and knees dripping tears on the stage, while everyone applauded me. Then I led them to the nearest church.



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14 Aug 2007, 2:36 am

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I went to a seminar last night where Dawkins was reading from his book. All the way through, Christians were tearing ofF their crosses and beads and throwing them away while Dawkins cheered then for seeing reason. However, I jUSt sat through it with a smug smile on my face, waiting to drop my bomb that would defeat him utterley for the last time.

Al the end of the talk I stood up and said, " so basically you deny God from lack of evidence." he said "yes".

I said "I have no evidence of your thoughts, do I? So how do I know you have a brain???"

He just stood there, quivering. Then he fell to his knees and started crying, "God forgive me, what have I done, I have sinned, what have I done".
Then he crawled away on his hands and knees dripping tears on the stage, while everyone applauded me. Then I led them to the nearest church.


Bull. How can you prove that happened? Besides, Lalla Ward would be able to console him that night.


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14 Aug 2007, 2:39 am

Haha, now how about you grow some balls and act out on your fantasy! Judging by your post he would dissemble you in an instant.



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14 Aug 2007, 2:40 am

Mutate wrote:
I went to a seminar last night where Dawkins was reading from his book. All the way through, Christians were tearing ofF their crosses and beads and throwing them away while Dawkins cheered then for seeing reason. However, I jUSt sat through it with a smug smile on my face, waiting to drop my bomb that would defeat him utterley for the last time.

Al the end of the talk I stood up and said, " so basically you deny God from lack of evidence." he said "yes".

I said "I have no evidence of your thoughts, do I? So how do I know you have a brain???"

He just stood there, quivering. Then he fell to his knees and started crying, "God forgive me, what have I done, I have sinned, what have I done".
Then he crawled away on his hands and knees dripping tears on the stage, while everyone applauded me. Then I led them to the nearest church.

Yeah, whatever.
I hardly think that's a 'bomb that would defeat him utterley for the last time' (whatever the hell 'utterley' means). You don't need evidence of thoughts to know he has a brain; if he didn't, then I doubt he'd be standing there talking to you. Whereas there is no evidence to suggest there is a god.



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14 Aug 2007, 2:42 am

I think it's jealousy, that Dawkins gets the attention, and the beautiful and smart wife (Lalla Ward).


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14 Aug 2007, 4:15 am

Yo Mutate, you suck! Take your Dawkins wet-dreams elsewhere.


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14 Aug 2007, 10:26 am

Mutate wrote:
I went to a seminar last night where Dawkins was reading from his book. All the way through, Christians were tearing ofF their crosses and beads and throwing them away while Dawkins cheered then for seeing reason. However, I jUSt sat through it with a smug smile on my face, waiting to drop my bomb that would defeat him utterley for the last time.

Al the end of the talk I stood up and said, " so basically you deny God from lack of evidence." he said "yes".

I said "I have no evidence of your thoughts, do I? So how do I know you have a brain???"

He just stood there, quivering. Then he fell to his knees and started crying, "God forgive me, what have I done, I have sinned, what have I done".
Then he crawled away on his hands and knees dripping tears on the stage, while everyone applauded me. Then I led them to the nearest church.


The biggest flaw in this fiction is that Dawkins is one of those people who is incapable of admitting defeat when it comes.


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14 Aug 2007, 10:28 am

Ragtime wrote:
Mutate wrote:
I went to a seminar last night where Dawkins was reading from his book. All the way through, Christians were tearing ofF their crosses and beads and throwing them away while Dawkins cheered then for seeing reason. However, I jUSt sat through it with a smug smile on my face, waiting to drop my bomb that would defeat him utterley for the last time.

Al the end of the talk I stood up and said, " so basically you deny God from lack of evidence." he said "yes".

I said "I have no evidence of your thoughts, do I? So how do I know you have a brain???"

He just stood there, quivering. Then he fell to his knees and started crying, "God forgive me, what have I done, I have sinned, what have I done".
Then he crawled away on his hands and knees dripping tears on the stage, while everyone applauded me. Then I led them to the nearest church.


The biggest flaw in this fiction is that Dawkins is one of those people who is incapable of admitting defeat when it comes.

Ever thought maybe it's just that he hasn't been defeated by you guys? :roll:



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14 Aug 2007, 10:31 am

Sopho wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
Mutate wrote:
I went to a seminar last night where Dawkins was reading from his book. All the way through, Christians were tearing ofF their crosses and beads and throwing them away while Dawkins cheered then for seeing reason. However, I jUSt sat through it with a smug smile on my face, waiting to drop my bomb that would defeat him utterley for the last time.

Al the end of the talk I stood up and said, " so basically you deny God from lack of evidence." he said "yes".

I said "I have no evidence of your thoughts, do I? So how do I know you have a brain???"

He just stood there, quivering. Then he fell to his knees and started crying, "God forgive me, what have I done, I have sinned, what have I done".
Then he crawled away on his hands and knees dripping tears on the stage, while everyone applauded me. Then I led them to the nearest church.


The biggest flaw in this fiction is that Dawkins is one of those people who is incapable of admitting defeat when it comes.

Ever thought maybe it's just that he hasn't been defeated by you guys? :roll:


If God exists, Dawkins was defeated the moment he first uttered his doubts. I personally deeply know that God exists. So, to whatever degree I can evidense that knowledge to others, I still have the personal knowledge that Dawkins is wrong. And on a certain level, so does he.


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14 Aug 2007, 10:33 am

Ragtime wrote:
Sopho wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
Mutate wrote:
I went to a seminar last night where Dawkins was reading from his book. All the way through, Christians were tearing ofF their crosses and beads and throwing them away while Dawkins cheered then for seeing reason. However, I jUSt sat through it with a smug smile on my face, waiting to drop my bomb that would defeat him utterley for the last time.

Al the end of the talk I stood up and said, " so basically you deny God from lack of evidence." he said "yes".

I said "I have no evidence of your thoughts, do I? So how do I know you have a brain???"

He just stood there, quivering. Then he fell to his knees and started crying, "God forgive me, what have I done, I have sinned, what have I done".
Then he crawled away on his hands and knees dripping tears on the stage, while everyone applauded me. Then I led them to the nearest church.


The biggest flaw in this fiction is that Dawkins is one of those people who is incapable of admitting defeat when it comes.

Ever thought maybe it's just that he hasn't been defeated by you guys? :roll:


If God exists, Dawkins was defeated the moment he first uttered his doubts. And I personally deeply know that God exists. So, to whatever degree I can evidense that knowledge to others, I still have the personal knowledge that Dawkins is wrong. And on a certain level, so does he.

I doubt he does. And you don't know this god exists. You just feel it/believe it does. That's different to actually knowing that it does.



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14 Aug 2007, 10:40 am

Sopho wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
Sopho wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
Mutate wrote:
I went to a seminar last night where Dawkins was reading from his book. All the way through, Christians were tearing ofF their crosses and beads and throwing them away while Dawkins cheered then for seeing reason. However, I jUSt sat through it with a smug smile on my face, waiting to drop my bomb that would defeat him utterley for the last time.

Al the end of the talk I stood up and said, " so basically you deny God from lack of evidence." he said "yes".

I said "I have no evidence of your thoughts, do I? So how do I know you have a brain???"

He just stood there, quivering. Then he fell to his knees and started crying, "God forgive me, what have I done, I have sinned, what have I done".
Then he crawled away on his hands and knees dripping tears on the stage, while everyone applauded me. Then I led them to the nearest church.


The biggest flaw in this fiction is that Dawkins is one of those people who is incapable of admitting defeat when it comes.

Ever thought maybe it's just that he hasn't been defeated by you guys? :roll:


If God exists, Dawkins was defeated the moment he first uttered his doubts. And I personally deeply know that God exists. So, to whatever degree I can evidense that knowledge to others, I still have the personal knowledge that Dawkins is wrong. And on a certain level, so does he.

I doubt he does. And you don't know this god exists. You just feel it/believe it does. That's different to actually knowing that it does.


How do you know?


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14 Aug 2007, 10:47 am

Ragtime wrote:
Sopho wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
Sopho wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
Mutate wrote:
I went to a seminar last night where Dawkins was reading from his book. All the way through, Christians were tearing ofF their crosses and beads and throwing them away while Dawkins cheered then for seeing reason. However, I jUSt sat through it with a smug smile on my face, waiting to drop my bomb that would defeat him utterley for the last time.

Al the end of the talk I stood up and said, " so basically you deny God from lack of evidence." he said "yes".

I said "I have no evidence of your thoughts, do I? So how do I know you have a brain???"

He just stood there, quivering. Then he fell to his knees and started crying, "God forgive me, what have I done, I have sinned, what have I done".
Then he crawled away on his hands and knees dripping tears on the stage, while everyone applauded me. Then I led them to the nearest church.


The biggest flaw in this fiction is that Dawkins is one of those people who is incapable of admitting defeat when it comes.

Ever thought maybe it's just that he hasn't been defeated by you guys? :roll:


If God exists, Dawkins was defeated the moment he first uttered his doubts. And I personally deeply know that God exists. So, to whatever degree I can evidense that knowledge to others, I still have the personal knowledge that Dawkins is wrong. And on a certain level, so does he.

I doubt he does. And you don't know this god exists. You just feel it/believe it does. That's different to actually knowing that it does.


How do you know?

You're the one claiming to know this god exists without any evidence to back it up. Burden of proof is on you.
How do you know Dawkins doesn't know? This could go on forever.



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14 Aug 2007, 10:59 am

I think the problem ragtime is epistemology. She doesn't believe personal revelation to be valid for proving something about the nature of the world. Essentially, such a statement by her makes God unprovable, as even if miracles did happen, they say nothing about the nature of the being doing them, even though they would be either proof that there are divine forces, or disproof of some of the things we know about reality. However, your statement leaves open the problem of trust as many people have different revelations and contradicting ones, how can it be assured that yours is the right god and the others are not, how can it be assured that this isn't merely a mental fantasy?

Also, Mutate, that would NEVER work. Do you think that Dawkins is a complete idiot? At least give your opponent some credit even if you think that they are wrong, as his belief isn't gutless but rather one that demands some proper consideration. Even if you defeated him he wouldn't likely surrender as he is as strong, or stronger in his disbelief than most Christians are in their belief. I really think he would simply claim that such is a philosophical problem known as the problem of other minds( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Problem_of_other_minds ), but simply get rid of this matter by claiming that most people have biochemical processes that we know as thoughts and that it would be unreasonable to consider him different in that manner. It is a foolish fantasy, and you would need some apologetics much much much stronger. Frankly, you would do better with abducting him and murdering him then dumping his body in a lake, and murdering someone while getting away with it is often a harder challenge.



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14 Aug 2007, 11:02 am

Sopho wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
Sopho wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
Sopho wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
Mutate wrote:
I went to a seminar last night where Dawkins was reading from his book. All the way through, Christians were tearing ofF their crosses and beads and throwing them away while Dawkins cheered then for seeing reason. However, I jUSt sat through it with a smug smile on my face, waiting to drop my bomb that would defeat him utterley for the last time.

Al the end of the talk I stood up and said, " so basically you deny God from lack of evidence." he said "yes".

I said "I have no evidence of your thoughts, do I? So how do I know you have a brain???"

He just stood there, quivering. Then he fell to his knees and started crying, "God forgive me, what have I done, I have sinned, what have I done".
Then he crawled away on his hands and knees dripping tears on the stage, while everyone applauded me. Then I led them to the nearest church.


The biggest flaw in this fiction is that Dawkins is one of those people who is incapable of admitting defeat when it comes.

Ever thought maybe it's just that he hasn't been defeated by you guys? :roll:


If God exists, Dawkins was defeated the moment he first uttered his doubts. And I personally deeply know that God exists. So, to whatever degree I can evidense that knowledge to others, I still have the personal knowledge that Dawkins is wrong. And on a certain level, so does he.

I doubt he does. And you don't know this god exists. You just feel it/believe it does. That's different to actually knowing that it does.


How do you know?

You're the one claiming to know this god exists without any evidence to back it up. Burden of proof is on you.
How do you know Dawkins doesn't know? This could go on forever.


No, no, you just claimed that I can't know God exists -- when you're on the outside of my relationship with God -- so naturally, I asked you to back up your claim. So go on, is it your opinion that I can't know God, or is it a fact?


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14 Aug 2007, 11:05 am

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No, no, you just claimed that I can't know God exists -- when you're on the outside of my relationship with God -- so naturally, I asked you to back up your claim. So go on, is it your opinion that I can't know God, or is it a fact?

You can't know the Christian god exists, because that god supposedly affects everyone. Not just you. If it did exist, I'd be going to Hell. You can't know that something of that nature exists. If you really do think that, then you need to go and see a psychiatrist.



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14 Aug 2007, 11:08 am

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No, no, you just claimed that I can't know God exists -- when you're on the outside of my relationship with God -- so naturally, I asked you to back up your claim. So go on, is it your opinion that I can't know God, or is it a fact?

You can't know the Christian god exists, because that god supposedly affects everyone. Not just you. If it did exist, I'd be going to Hell. You can't know that something of that nature exists. If you really do think that, then you need to go and see a psychiatrist.


It's beyond God's infinite power to make me know He's Him?


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