Should Christians have sex?

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So, uh...why'd God screw up the first draft so
badly?

Certainly. And I'd rather expect the parental figure not
to condemn His children to eternal damnation for doing
so. Children do throw tantrums, when they can't understand
why things are wrong. And THIS child will throw one hell of
a royal one, that I assure you.

you guys really know how to ruin fun, huh?



this thread started off as just a stupid joke and now it's a real debate on the virtues or mismerits of sex?

Ragtime wrote:



Ragtime: I think you are a sincere guy. I think you truly want to "save" the world. My problem with you is your approach. I think your above statement is ridiculous. It's a lot like your poll in the "Contrarian" thread. Why is it so important, or necessary for people to "concede" to it?

So, uh...why'd God screw up the first draft so
badly?



Certainly. And I'd rather expect the parental figure not
to condemn His children to eternal damnation for doing
so. Children do throw tantrums, when they can't understand
why things are wrong. And THIS child will throw one hell of
a royal one, that I assure you.

No screw-up. Plan.

The Christian life is difficult, yes, as it was predicted to be. Jesus said many, many statements to this effect, including: "In this world you will have trouble, but take heart; I have overcome the world" (John 16:33). But my point was that, while not sinning is very difficult, getting the credit for being sinless before God is easy! It's a 2-parter: 1) Sure, we'll slip up, but 2) it doesn't matter in the end, so long as we're sorry, and have accepted Christ's atonement for those sins.

Getting saved and having all your sins forgiven is easy -- can we concede that?

Sex is for atheists.

that's sadistic

I think it's guiltless sex that's for atheists.

Christian life is very difficult, mostly when I'm surround by temptation everywhere, I always have trouble when there are a lot of things that distract me from the bible teachings, the so called logic and common sense, these things affect me somehow, how can I get away from all of it?

Ragtime wrote:



Ragtime: I think you are a sincere guy. I think you truly want to "save" the world. My problem with you is your approach. I think your above statement is ridiculous. It's a lot like your poll in the "Contrarian" thread. Why is it so important, or necessary for people to "concede" to it? It's time for me to lay my cards on the table with you. I don't want to play the age card, because I do not believe that age necessarily equals wisdom. But I have been around for a long time, 65 years to be exact. Much of my childhood was spent surrounded by people very much like you. They were supposed to be my loving family, but they were my tormentors and my abusers. I'm not talking about sexual abuse, I'm talking about emotional abuse. They wanted other people to think just like them and live just like them and be just like them. They wanted people to "concede" to that same statement above. And if those people would not concede, in addition to being damned to hell upon their deaths, they would be subjected to hell on earth by those same people who were so determined to "save" them. I could never figure this out.

My mother's father was the ring-leader, the head tormentor; Ira, the Baptist, is how I refer to him. He was a Southern Baptist and believed that each soul he saved would be a "jewel in his crown" when he got to heaven. He went door to door, with the preacher, on their mission to make people concede to that statement. "Repent and Be Saved". There's nothing wrong with that. It could even be viewed as admirable, zealous, magnanimous. The problem is, he hurt far more people than he saved.

My father was Italian and Catholic. Two strikes against him right off the bat. My dad was a kind, intelligent, gentle man. I never witnessed him saying anything vicious about anyone. He brought all of my mother's family down out of the coal mines and poverty of the mountains in Pennsylvania, and helped them all to get jobs and a place to live. And yet, my grandfather hated him because he was Italian and Catholic. I wanted my grandfather to love me as he seemed to love my many cousins who were Baptist. So I snuck off to the Baptist church with him and my grandmother, I sang their hymns and studied the bible. Even though I was only eight years old at the time, I let them "save" me, and baptize me in the pool. I conceded, "Yes, I'm a sinner. Yes, I repent. Yes, I want to be saved." I'll do anything for your love, Grampa. Love me as my as you love my cousins.
Looking back on that now, I think it was a form of child abuse. I was only a jewel in his crown when he got to heaven. But I was always the outcast, because I was Italian and my father was Catholic.
My grandfather and some of my aunts and uncles like to tell me terrible stories of how my father would be going to hell. About the Knights of Columbus, of which my father was a member, and how they were led by the devil and going to try and take over the world and kill everyone who was not Catholic, and slice open the bellies of pregnant protestants and kill their babies.
I remember becoming hysterical upon hearing those words and sobbing to them that "My father would never do anything like that. My father is good." That's why I become so enraged by your bigoted remarks about Catholics and your refusal to see that a person's religion does not determine where he spends eternity, if you even believe in eternity. It's what's in his heart and his soul, it's how he treats the rest of humanity, especially those who are different than him.

Ragtime wrote:



Ragtime: I think you are a sincere guy. I think you truly want to "save" the world. My problem with you is your approach. I think your above statement is ridiculous. It's a lot like your poll in the "Contrarian" thread. Why is it so important, or necessary for people to "concede" to it? It's time for me to lay my cards on the table with you. I don't want to play the age card, because I do not believe that age necessarily equals wisdom. But I have been around for a long time, 65 years to be exact. Much of my childhood was spent surrounded by people very much like you. They were supposed to be my loving family, but they were my tormentors and my abusers. I'm not talking about sexual abuse, I'm talking about emotional abuse. They wanted other people to think just like them and live just like them and be just like them. They wanted people to "concede" to that same statement above. And if those people would not concede, in addition to being damned to hell upon their deaths, they would be subjected to hell on earth by those same people who were so determined to "save" them. I could never figure this out.

My mother's father was the ring-leader, the head tormentor; Ira, the Baptist, is how I refer to him. He was a Southern Baptist and believed that each soul he saved would be a "jewel in his crown" when he got to heaven. He went door to door, with the preacher, on their mission to make people concede to that statement. "Repent and Be Saved". There's nothing wrong with that. It could even be viewed as admirable, zealous, magnanimous. The problem is, he hurt far more people than he saved.

My father was Italian and Catholic. Two strikes against him right off the bat. My dad was a kind, intelligent, gentle man. I never witnessed him saying anything vicious about anyone. He brought all of my mother's family down out of the coal mines and poverty of the mountains in Pennsylvania, and helped them all to get jobs and a place to live. And yet, my grandfather hated him because he was Italian and Catholic. I wanted my grandfather to love me as he seemed to love my many cousins who were Baptist. So I snuck off to the Baptist church with him and my grandmother, I sang their hymns and studied the bible. Even though I was only eight years old at the time, I let them "save" me, and baptize me in the pool. I conceded, "Yes, I'm a sinner. Yes, I repent. Yes, I want to be saved." I'll do anything for your love, Grampa. Love me as my as you love my cousins.
Looking back on that now, I think it was a form of child abuse. I was only a jewel in his crown when he got to heaven. But I was always the outcast, because I was Italian and my father was Catholic.
My grandfather and some of my aunts and uncles like to tell me terrible stories of how my father would be going to hell. About the Knights of Columbus, of which my father was a member, and how they were led by the devil and going to try and take over the world and kill everyone who was not Catholic, and slice open the bellies of pregnant protestants and kill their babies.
I remember becoming hysterical upon hearing those words and sobbing to them that "My father would never do anything like that. My father is good." That's why I become so enraged by your bigoted remarks about Catholics and your refusal to see that a person's religion does not determine where he spends eternity, if you even believe in eternity. It's what's in his heart and his soul, it's how he treats the rest of humanity, especially those who are different than him.

Here's where I stand, Ragtime:

Matthew 23:24
Ye blind guides which strain at a gnat and swallow a camel.

Matthew 12:35
A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things.

Matthew 12:36
But I say unto you, that every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgement.

And if that doesn't tell you exactly where I stand, there's always Forest Gump:

"Mama always says 'Dumb is, as dumb does.'"