If Joe Biden didn't withdraw from the 2024 race.

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08 Nov 2024, 7:19 am

How would the election have gone if Joe Biden had stayed in the race? Would Donald Trump still have won the election?



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08 Nov 2024, 8:41 am

Yes I think so.



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08 Nov 2024, 9:57 am

What we need is an actual opposition party that cares about winning. It is the responsibility of the parties to earn votes. Having an "opposition" party isn't the same as having an opposition party and the Democrats have thrown far too many elections to be able to credibly claim to be in opposition to what the GOP is doing.

You can't blame conservatives because their party does what they want it to. They're absolutely brutal in terms of throwing people out of the party that aren't toeing the party line. The Democrats let Sinema and Manchin remain in their party for far too long in order to nominally have a majority. Even though they consistently voted the wrong way on key issues. The GOP would have primaried them.



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08 Nov 2024, 1:45 pm

Trump would have won by a much larger margin and Republicans would have won more congressional seats.


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08 Nov 2024, 1:51 pm

ASPartOfMe wrote:
Trump would have won by a much larger margin and Republicans would have won more congressional seats.


Probably, that sort of thing is part of why in '68 the Democrats primaried LBJ and ultimately forced him to drop out. It's unhealthy for either party to allow the incumbent to go more or less completely unchallenged. We knew 4 years ago that Biden wasn't the same man he was as VP due to health challenges. We'll never know if he would have won in 2020 if he had had to go out and travel around campaigning.

Really, the efforts off folks like Bernie crushing Marianne Wlliamson and the other candidates that were trying to offer the voters an alternative was a massive mistake. I don't personally blame the voters for being racist, sexist or the like, in large part because they weren't given a choice of which candidate would oppose Trump. Given how freaked out and deranged people were by his previous administration, it would have made sense to try to find the strongest possible candidate to oppose him.