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19 Jun 2023, 6:54 pm

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-and-other-republicans-conjure-a-familiar-enemy-in-attacking-democrats-as-communists/ar-AA1cIYJG?OCID=ansmsnnews11

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19 Jun 2023, 7:00 pm

It's called "The Ratchet Effect" and both parties are complicit. It'd be nice if the Dems were actually communist. But they ain't.

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20 Jun 2023, 8:52 am

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AF-G9Io ... obertReich

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20 Jun 2023, 5:14 pm

Here in Texas, people deeply resent that people are moving here from California and the Northeast.

They are terrified that Texas will lose its whole identity (rugged individualism) if we do anything differently, or deviate even slightly from the Abbott-Patrick-(insert AG here) agenda.

Yet people will still willingly vote for a guy who we can't even count on to (literally) keep the lights on. And here we are, in the midst of a massive heat wave, hoping and praying history doesn't repeat itself.

I admit Beto O'Rourke was not the best candidate for governor either. To win statewide office in Texas, a Democrat has to win over conservative voters fed up with the far-right stances the state GOP has adopted. His "Yeah, I'm coming for your guns" comment after the El Paso shooting ruined that opportunity. Addressing gun control here requires a lot of subtlety.

It's not like he was trying to ban BBQ, pickup trucks, and country music.

Abbott's campaign in '22 capitalized on Beto's remark, and accused him of wanting to defund the police, and of wanting open borders, none of which are true.

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21 Jun 2023, 1:16 am

Tim_Tex wrote:

That seems to be a fear shared by many on the conservative right. They seem to believe that their way of life will fade away if too many different people with their different ways of life move in and take over neighborhoods, businesses, schools, and governments.

I admit that pointing out the 'problem' does nothing to solve it, but does it need solving to begin with? I doubt it, as the 'problem' seems to exist only in the minds of the fearful and ignorant.

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21 Jun 2023, 5:48 pm

How do we bring about social change in places like the Deep South, the Great Plains, and the interior West to put them on par with the West and East coasts?

How can we bring housing prices down in the Northeast and West Coast?

How can we get schools to teach critical thinking, rather that regurgitation or basically giving students A's just for showing up?

How can we bring culture to conservative areas without worrying about puritan city councils or protests by churches? How can an Omaha branch of Seattle's Center for Sex-Positive Studies come to be? Or an American version of the Icelandic Phallological Museum--in Jackson, Mississippi?

Voting out the "other" party only does so much.

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21 Jun 2023, 5:53 pm

& here I was thinking as a kid that we wouldn't have problems like these...
High school I always told myself I didn't have to get into politics...
How fast things changed when I became an adult, & equally going through Obama, Trump, Biden now...
Oh how stressful the future continues to look... -_-

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21 Jun 2023, 6:18 pm

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There isn't much choice about getting interested in politics.

Politics will have an interest in you regardless.

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22 Jun 2023, 2:19 pm

funeralxempire wrote:

HEX_Ninja05 wrote:

There isn't much choice about getting interested in politics.

Politics will have an interest in you regardless.

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22 Jun 2023, 2:44 pm

Tim_Tex wrote:

They already lost their identity of rugged individualism with their abortion laws.

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22 Jun 2023, 6:25 pm

Sweetleaf wrote:

Tim_Tex wrote:

They already lost their identity of rugged individualism with their abortion laws.

In that case, rugged individualism would mean carrying it to term, even if it literally kills you. And if you die, it was just "God's plan".

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22 Jun 2023, 7:44 pm

I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again:

“Never underestimate the intelligence of the American Electorate”—

Attrib. H. L. Mencken

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23 Jun 2023, 7:31 am

Fnord wrote:

Tim_Tex wrote:

Even if their way of life "fades" as they believe, why would that matter? Societies and their demographics change all the time and I do think that society is becoming more secular but that's for the better.

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23 Jun 2023, 7:45 am

funeralxempire wrote:

HEX_Ninja05 wrote:

There isn't much choice about getting interested in politics.

Politics will have an interest in you regardless.

I heard it explained similarly:
You really have no choice to get into politics/get political, because the people who make the "rules" that affect you directly use politics to do so.

I want to add :::incoming evergreen leftist rant!:::
The reason much of the populace is "dumb" or "backwards" or both, is due to the ruling class/1%//leisure class/ghouls fund all of the "counter-revolutionary" aspects in society in order to ensure a majority of People in the west and most particularly in the US stay "uneducated", indoctrinated, "othered", etc, as this keeps the focus off of them, and they continue to rob the "lower" classes. literally, blind.

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28 Jun 2023, 10:51 am

mrpieceofwork wrote:

funeralxempire wrote:

HEX_Ninja05 wrote:

There isn't much choice about getting interested in politics.

Politics will have an interest in you regardless.

Hence why it's so much harder for someone who wants to be open-minded on most things & actually do the research before taking a side...
Research in today's generation is digging through 96% garbage for a 4% that MAY be actually useful.

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