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23 Mar 2011, 9:27 am

I am just wondering if this is a myth or if there is something to this?


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23 Mar 2011, 9:28 am

I hope not.

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23 Mar 2011, 9:40 am

I don't think very many convert, but I think there are a few Muslims on here.


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23 Mar 2011, 10:02 am

Myth, but I think atheism or "I don't get religion" is fairly common among aspergians.


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23 Mar 2011, 10:28 am

PM wrote:
Myth, but I think atheism or "I don't get religion" is fairly common among aspergians.


Isn't it because religion isn't logic-based? That's what I've heard a lot on here.


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23 Mar 2011, 10:41 am

For every religious choice, there is a lot of Aspies that convert to it.


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23 Mar 2011, 10:41 am

Tim_Tex wrote:
PM wrote:
Myth, but I think atheism or "I don't get religion" is fairly common among aspergians.


Isn't it because religion isn't logic-based? That's what I've heard a lot on here.


Exactly, to myself and other atheists here, religion has very illogical principles. Even if they are not professed atheists, alot of aspergians do not get religion because of said illogical principles.


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23 Mar 2011, 10:49 am

Grab a book of St. Thomas Aquinas, or Maimonides, or Spinoza, or almost any theologian. You'll see that while they are on a meta-level illogical, they try to weave quite complex logical structures out of their beliefs. Most theologies try to categorize and otherwise systematize everything, even That Which Cannot Be Known. They somehow manage to fill volumes with what they know about the unknown.

These theological systems may appeal to some people in the same way that the rules of C syntax, English grammar, Go, or mathematics, appeals to them. I suspect they find solace in these systems of order in the exact same way one may find solace in the Standard Model or a volume of Knuth.

The difference, of course, is that Go and mathematics tends not to appeal to the widespread human desire to for a cosmic arbitrator. Nor do they often offer the appearance of easy access to the fundamental laws of reality.


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23 Mar 2011, 5:42 pm

Actually, one of my many obsessive thoughts is about how horrible it would be to have been born into conservative Islam. My main problem is that it's one of those religions that enforce marriage and gender roles and I couldn't live with that stuff.

The only thing worse than being oppressed by someone, is being oppressed by someone who claims to have divinely conferred rights to do so.

That said, I also have the same obsessive thoughts about how horrible Catholic doctrine is (especially regarding gender relations) and I was born into Catholicism! I think the main difference is that Muslims usually 'walk the walk' more often than most Christians, as regards the unpleasant parts of their doctrine (well, the bits I find unpleasant).

Though, like all religions, it's popular with people who are trying to find order at the expense of freedom.

A lot of people from broken homes and from deprived backgrounds convert to Islam where I live. I can't say I blame them. They aren't aspies, though. Converting to Islam is often an attempt to get onto the straight and narrow. A lot of aspies are already on the straight and narrow :lol:


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23 Mar 2011, 6:31 pm

puddingmouse wrote:
A lot of people from broken homes and from deprived backgrounds convert to Islam where I live. I can't say I blame them. They aren't aspies, though. Converting to Islam is often an attempt to get onto the straight and narrow. A lot of aspies are already on the straight and narrow :lol:


We could use a bit of un-straightening and un-narrowing

I think religions probably mostly did make sense at one time, they just get all out of whack when they lose the mystical practices, and people start twisting them and making dogma out of the weird bits.


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23 Mar 2011, 6:47 pm

Funny thing is, my cousin who most definitely has Asperger's (though has never received official diagnosis) had a brief spell once during which he wanted to convert into Islam. He did pray and wash and went to the mosque regularly for some time but didn't go any further - I can only presume he got cold feet at the idea of circumcision.
Since none in my family are very religious, my cousin's preoccupation with Islam came as quite a shock to almost everyone. I can only assume he had a transient psychotic episode as he was clearly not himself at the time and it never happened again.



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23 Mar 2011, 7:21 pm

Oh, I forgot to say, that I had a brief fascination with Islam, but then that segued into an interest in Buddhism, and it was a much better fit.

But now I consider myself 'omniligious' in that I think that all the religious and spiritual traditions of the world emerge from a very similar point of origination, but they all seem to have a slightly different perspective of that one thing. Like in that old metaphor about the blind guys all touching a different part of an elephant and describing something very different to the others. I'm as interested in shamanism as I am in Christianity or the western magickal tradition. But it is the mystical practices that are the meat of any tradition.


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23 Mar 2011, 11:21 pm

If anything, Confucianism makes a ton of sense... after you strip the layers of religious add-ons that the PHILOSOPHY of it accumulated over the centuries.



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24 Mar 2011, 7:48 am

Severus wrote:
Funny thing is, my cousin who most definitely has Asperger's (though has never received official diagnosis) had a brief spell once during which he wanted to convert into Islam. He did pray and wash and went to the mosque regularly for some time but didn't go any further - I can only presume he got cold feet at the idea of circumcision.
Since none in my family are very religious, my cousin's preoccupation with Islam came as quite a shock to almost everyone. I can only assume he had a transient psychotic episode as he was clearly not himself at the time and it never happened again.


He would have come to his senses if the local Imam tried to convince him to do a suicide bombing.

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24 Mar 2011, 5:17 pm

ruveyn wrote:
Severus wrote:
Funny thing is, my cousin who most definitely has Asperger's (though has never received official diagnosis) had a brief spell once during which he wanted to convert into Islam. He did pray and wash and went to the mosque regularly for some time but didn't go any further - I can only presume he got cold feet at the idea of circumcision.
Since none in my family are very religious, my cousin's preoccupation with Islam came as quite a shock to almost everyone. I can only assume he had a transient psychotic episode as he was clearly not himself at the time and it never happened again.


He would have come to his senses if the local Imam tried to convince him to do a suicide bombing.

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Thing is, I am not sure he would have. He might as well go ahead and do it. I am not a specialist at reading face and eyes expressions but I can't forget the fixed, glazed look the man had at the time.



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24 Mar 2011, 5:38 pm

Moog wrote:
But now I consider myself 'omniligious' in that I think that all the religious and spiritual traditions of the world emerge from a very similar point of origination, but they all seem to have a slightly different perspective of that one thing. Like in that old metaphor about the blind guys all touching a different part of an elephant and describing something very different to the others. I'm as interested in shamanism as I am in Christianity or the western magickal tradition. But it is the mystical practices that are the meat of any tradition.


what i feel when i feel religious excactly, also the excuse i used to my stepdad and his parents when i denied being a member of the danish state church.


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