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18 Aug 2007, 5:55 pm

How come the Bible doesn't mention dinosaurs? :?
They were they're we have the proof...
Did they like leave them out or something because it sounded weird
(I've also heard people say God put the fossils there to test our faith) :lol:
that's beyond all rationality :roll: to me
so what about Dinosaurs



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18 Aug 2007, 7:16 pm

The school I used to go was religious, with the science class we were suppose to study about the dinosaurs but they decided to skip it, and we never touched the subject.


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18 Aug 2007, 7:27 pm

In fairness, you really shouldn't lump in all "religious" folk with extreme fundamentalists. Those who deny evolution as a possibility are in the minority, and those who claim that dinosaur bones were "planted" are such a small group as to be inconsequential and relatively harmless despite how loud they are.

This is like making fun of aspies, based on one guy who happened to go on a shooting rampage, if you get my drift.

I understand your criticism of those people's beliefs--I think it's pretty ridiculous myself. But I guess I'd like to see more facts and fewer stereotypes and assumptions, if we're going to launch into a critique.

Presumably the Bible doesn't mention dinosaurs either because:

1) The writers meant to imply their inclusion in Genesis 1:20-21, 1:24. The text goes does go so far as to refer to "great sea monsters".

or

2) The writers had no idea that dinosaurs ever existed.

I don't believe the Canada Goose was ever mentioned in the Bible either. :wink:



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18 Aug 2007, 7:41 pm

Because God was drunk when he created the dinosaurs. And the next day he'd forgotten all about it. Maybe they'll add it for the 2008 edition though.



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18 Aug 2007, 7:47 pm

They died in the flood because they were too big to fit on Noah's ark.



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18 Aug 2007, 7:58 pm

I wasn't trashing religion I was just curious why
God would have told them what they were I would thought
sea monsters could mean a few types of dinosaurs :)



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18 Aug 2007, 8:03 pm

Kilroy wrote:
I wasn't trashing religion I was just curious why
God would have told them what they were I would thought
sea monsters could mean a few types of dinosaurs :)


Oh, I certainly didn't mean to imply that you were trashing anything. You were primarily respectful. And I like you and all, so don't feel attacked, please.

It's just that you did appear to be lumping them all into one group. Personally I think it's quite useful to have an accurate idea of what the other side really consists of. :)



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18 Aug 2007, 8:24 pm

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They died in the flood because they were too big to fit on Noah's ark.

Yes, some people from the old chuch I used to go said that actually, that they existed and it was because of the flood that they no longer exist anymore, there were others that thought they never existed, at school we never touched the subject of dinasours, I think it might have been mostly because of the millions of years period of time described in books, which contradicted the 6,000 years of the age of the universe, according to them.


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18 Aug 2007, 8:31 pm

gwenevyn wrote:
Kilroy wrote:
I wasn't trashing religion I was just curious why
God would have told them what they were I would thought
sea monsters could mean a few types of dinosaurs :)


Oh, I certainly didn't mean to imply that you were trashing anything. You were primarily respectful. And I like you and all, so don't feel attacked, please.

It's just that you did appear to be lumping them all into one group. Personally I think it's quite useful to have an accurate idea of what the other side really consists of. :)


I know and I like talking aboit religion to people who'll listen to my side (unlike my dad for ex-who says I am wrong no matter what it is)
and thankyou for liking me-I feel popular here :oops:



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18 Aug 2007, 8:52 pm

Sopho wrote:
Because God was drunk when he created the dinosaurs. And the next day he'd forgotten all about it. Maybe they'll add it for the 2008 edition though.

ROFL
The Ragtime edition.

Sorry, I couldn't resist, lol


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18 Aug 2007, 9:14 pm

gwenevyn wrote:
In fairness, you really shouldn't lump in all "religious" folk with extreme fundamentalists. Those who deny evolution as a possibility are in the minority, and those who claim that dinosaur bones were "planted" are such a small group as to be inconsequential and relatively harmless despite how loud they are.

I first I thought you were refering to me for using the word "religious" which I choose to use it instead of using "christian". You are right, I guess people tend to generalise when not having much of an idea about a certain group of poeple, and a few people make it a bad name of it. As you said, mostly is about the extreme fundamentalists, not all christians think the same way, I've known a few who are more liberal, and that's good.

I even knew a christian person, must be a lot who think like that, that person recognised that the Bible is influenced by the culture and perception of things at the time, and that is why some things don't have to be taken literally, at the same time he believed it was inspired by God, wether is true or not, the important thing is how it is taken, I think too conservative people make it more literal than the ones who are more liberal.

gwenevyn wrote:
Presumably the Bible doesn't mention dinosaurs either because:

1) The writers meant to imply their inclusion in Genesis 1:20-21, 1:24. The text goes does go so far as to refer to "great sea monsters".

or

2) The writers had no idea that dinosaurs ever existed.

It could be seen like that, that the great see monsters could have been the dinosaours, although it says "sea" :? Most likely they didn't have any idea of the dinosaurs back then.


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19 Aug 2007, 12:04 am

a tv preacher I saw insists that the bible does mention dinosaurs... he said the leviathan was a dinosaur, but he sounded like he was trying to convince himself of this...



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19 Aug 2007, 5:58 am

i think conservative means "us and not you". so the bible is used by fundamentalist conservatives to demarkate who is US and who is not us. so if your group is of one variety, then the Bible can be used to define your group.... no homosexuals, obedient women, while another group can use the Bible to fuel social responsibility: care for the poor, welcome of political refugees, etc. some racists can use the bible to "prove" that black people are the result of Cain's murder of Able. the problem with the Bible isn't with whether dinosaurs are in it or not, but who is interpreting the book, and to what end? if you want to interpret the Bible as it is, then study hermeneutics or systematic theology. there is a great book from a few decades ago called "Scripture Twisting" which gives an elementary explanation of how the bible is used to support arguments, often ignoring the usual methods of literary interpretation. its pretty hard to use an old book for new behavior. i have more to say on this topic than probably anyone wants to lsten to. L



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19 Aug 2007, 10:08 am

Lyetta wrote:
i think conservative means "us and not you". so the bible is used by fundamentalist conservatives to demarkate who is US and who is not us. so if your group is of one variety, then the Bible can be used to define your group.... no homosexuals, obedient women, while another group can use the Bible to fuel social responsibility: care for the poor, welcome of political refugees, etc. some racists can use the bible to "prove" that black people are the result of Cain's murder of Able. the problem with the Bible isn't with whether dinosaurs are in it or not, but who is interpreting the book, and to what end? if you want to interpret the Bible as it is, then study hermeneutics or systematic theology. there is a great book from a few decades ago called "Scripture Twisting" which gives an elementary explanation of how the bible is used to support arguments, often ignoring the usual methods of literary interpretation. its pretty hard to use an old book for new behavior. i have more to say on this topic than probably anyone wants to listen to. L


I'm listening :D. I have tried to bring up hermeneutics before on WP, but it didn't work out so well. I would try again, but since your writing is more articulate than what I write, I'd rather defer to you.

About dinosaurs... I think the Genesis creation myths are just that, myths! I believe they come from a Sumerian tradition along with Gilgamesh. Which story influenced which, or if they were all influenced by a yet unknown story, I don't think anyone can know because these were all primarily oral traditions before any of them were written down. However, I think that the Genesis myths like other fiction have a point and a truth at it's root very much applicable to the reality of Christian faith today. The lack of dinosaurs in these myths does not diminish the truth I feel is expressed through them. I don't believe these stories were meant to be taken literally as scientific texts.



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19 Aug 2007, 10:20 am

The bible doesn't mention dinosaurs because the world of physical reality we live in is just an illusion god created for our amusement. :wink: :roll:


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19 Aug 2007, 10:28 am

Lyetta wrote:
i think conservative means "us and not you". so the bible is used by fundamentalist conservatives to demarkate who is US and who is not us. so if your group is of one variety, then the Bible can be used to define your group.... no homosexuals, obedient women, while another group can use the Bible to fuel social responsibility: care for the poor, welcome of political refugees, etc. some racists can use the bible to "prove" that black people are the result of Cain's murder of Able. the problem with the Bible isn't with whether dinosaurs are in it or not, but who is interpreting the book, and to what end? if you want to interpret the Bible as it is, then study hermeneutics or systematic theology. there is a great book from a few decades ago called "Scripture Twisting" which gives an elementary explanation of how the bible is used to support arguments, often ignoring the usual methods of literary interpretation. its pretty hard to use an old book for new behavior. i have more to say on this topic than probably anyone wants to lsten to. L


yeah it is very confusing-2 people can get 2 completely different meanings from it