The hostage posters

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Here is a page (PDF document) containing copies of the hostage posters that have been posted, and torn down, various places here in NYC.

Each poster contains a photo and the name of one or two of the hostages and then says:

At the bottom right corner of each poster, just above "SCAN TO JOIN THE GLOBAL EFFORTS," is a QR code.

Since I don't currently have a smart phone (I use a PC for Internet access and an old-fashioned flip phone as my phone), I would appreciate it very much if someone else here could tell me what happens when you scan the QR code.

I am trying to determine whether the primary purpose of the "global efforts" is:

1) To try to persuade the Israeli government to give a high priority to getting the hostages home alive (e.g. by swapping hostages for prisoners),

or

2) To whip up international support for Israel in its war against Gaza generally.

Obviously, New Yorkers are in no position to directly "help bring them home alive." As far as I'm aware, no one has claimed, for example, that Hamas has somehow shipped the hostages off to NYC, where they are now being held in the basements of a bunch of Palestinian-owned bodegas, or wherever. So the only way that New Yorkers could conceivably "help bring them home alive" is through political pressure of some kind.

So my question is what the exact political goal is.

I would hazard a guess that at least some, maybe all, of the poster-rippers assumed that the goal is #2 above. And, if any of the poster-rippers happened to have relatives living in Gaza, they might have felt that ripping down those posters was a way to do what little they could to help protect their own loved ones.

Of course, it's also possible, indeed likely, that at least some of the poster rippers have no personal stake in the conflict, or any lofty goal such as bringing about a cease-fire, but just hate Jews.

Someone has created a pro-Palestinian near-equivalent of the Israeli hostage posters. According to the news story Pro-Palestinian protesters pass out ‘Killed by Israel’ posters during Macy’s Thanksgiving Day Parade, New York Post, Nov. 23, 2023:

The news story contains a picture of one of these posters. As best I can read it, it says:

Oof!



It will take you to https://www.kidnappedfromisrael.com/

This is why the IDF are losing the propaganda war. Palestinians held without charge has risen to 2000 and according to Amnesty International are being subjected to torture
https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/ ... y-arrests/

The IDF will claim the people held are linked to HAMAS. But again, who are we supposed to believe?

No one should be subjected to torture whether they're linked to HAMAS or not.

Yes, I think the point that too many people miss is that at a government level both Israel and Hamas are pretty horrible. The people though, mostly want this bloodshed and violence to end and they just don't have the option.

There really isn't anyway of BDSing the PA at this point as they've been bombed back to the stone age and imports are greatly restricted, but we can BDS Israel until the war criminals in the government are no longer in government and ideally being tried at The Hague along with their Hamas counterparts.

What is BDS and PA?

Conversely, do you ever wonder why the Israeli people keep re-electing Likud even though most want peace with the Palestinians?

And yet the US set up Abu Graihb during the Iraq war for literally the same purpose.

Boycott Divest and Sanctions, it's a way of starving the country of external resources until reasonably adults are in charge. Palestinian Authority.

From what I understand, they mostly don't, the two parties that are running things are both minority parties, the fact that they keep being reelected is similar to how the GOP can keep winning elections even though their views are not majoritarian views to have.

That doesn't make it okay.

It's even more not okay when minors are involved.
https://www.amnesty.org.uk/blogs/childr ... inors-must

Last edited by TwilightPrincess on 24 Nov 2023, 8:33 pm, edited 1 time in total.

The Bush administration launched the Gulf war which resulted in 200,000 civilians deaths and neither he nor the republican party were referred to as war criminals.

I know. ^
I remember that because that's when I stopped watching any news.

I don't agree with torture in any circumstance.
Even capital punishment done in a humane way is better than torture.

Thank you for explaining the acronyms (MV) .

As Americans its important to be change you want to see in the rest of the world. It's a bit hard to choose to live as a citizen of a country which has the same record for human rights as Israel (but on sheer volume/scale over a longer historical period much worse than anything Israel ever did) and to make matters worse using your tax dollars to fund Israel's current abuse of Palestinians.

I didn't choose where I was born. I do not have the means to move to a different locale. That seems to be the situation for most people in the world.

I am uncertain if America is worse than Israel adjusting for their difference in size per capita. It doesn't seem likely. In any case, just because my country has committed atrocities doesn't mean that I can't speak out about others who have done so. We are all humans. I don't even consider myself an American. I'm an Earthling, generally speaking.

Of course, given the various problems Australia has had, especially regarding their treatment of native people over the centuries, maybe you should focus on that rather than Israeli victims if you are going to apply the same argument to me.