The Bash Bush Thread

Post Reply New Topic

I hate Bush.

Why or why not do YOU hate Bush, and has it affected your view of America at all?

I wish I hadn't voted for him, but between him and the other guy I rather go with bush. I'd actually prefer anarchy as a form of government over the republic/democratic form, really I just want everything to be just and fair for everyone but I know that's not going to happen till the thousands years and so forth.

Bush's command of the English language is almost better than his ability to speak Chinese, but not quite. But even Saddam used colloquial speech, if that's his excuse it sucks. Wasn't he educated in New England?

That's what we get for putting a guy in office who sailed through college with C's.

I don't hate Bush. I don't particularly care for the way he has approached many issues while in office, but it irritates me when armchair politicians decide that Bush (or any other person) is a worthless human being, based on issues they do not fully understand. The "I hate Bush" camp appears as mindless as any cult, to me. Herd behavior.

Argeed, I do not appreciate how Bush looks at social issues but he is just a mortal man saddled with one of the toughest jobs on Earth. He might not have been the brightest for sending our troops to nations with names that sound like sexual slurs. (Iraq? Afganistan? Come on!) But he is trying.

I like to think so. I know sometimes I give people too great of a benefit of any doubt at hand, but my impression of the President is that he earnestly believes he is doing the right thing. That obviously doesn't protect a man from being incorrect about a good many things, but I suppose it might say something about his character.

As opposed to someone trying to redefine the word "is"

[youtube]http://youtube.com/watch?v=ePkN71MgC9A[/youtube]

What is the ratio of soldiers lost/soldiers sent?

Last edited by iamnotaparakeet on 25 Aug 2007, 4:36 am, edited 1 time in total.

I don't hate Bush the texan.
However I do quite dislike Bush the president.

And my slentrian-hate for the united states is of a character more like that of an inside joke than of a serious repulsion. I like several individual americans.

fact: bush isn't from texas.

No, but I am.

Being from Australia, I see Bush as a bit of a prat, but the problem is he is probably more of a puppet than anything. There are far more influential people with far more wealth than anyone realises that are actually running the country, and that is scary. I don't mean the cartel that the Christians were talking about with the 'end times' thing, but they could have something in it. It's people like Rupert Murdoch, the Newscorp bloke and Bill Gates (Microsoft/MSN) who are really the ones pulling the strings, plus a few people with clout in other big businesses. Murdoch and Gates virtually control the media, and the media (especially Fox News) won the election for then Governor Bush in 2000.
But that seems to be only half the problem, a greater one is how the American people seem to be 'conned' for want of a better term into believing that if they go down certain paths (such as war for eg), they will be better off. Problem is, that mindset has been drummed in for a long time. Fighting for ones ideals is one thing, but at what cost? Is it worth it to invade a nation on the other side of the world because the president says you must? If you questioned the reasoning, and discovered for yourself that you weren't getting the right answers, shouldn't you be entitled to those answers? The media seems to spin everything that is said by politicians out of proportion, and that's probably why people don't trust them (both sides). Also, does anybody really get a fair shake at election time? Here, we have compulsory voting; which means everyone over 18 who is on the electoral roll must turn up at the ballot box on election day to vote. It's been mentioned that in America you have the freedom not to vote, but by doing so, are you depriving yourselves of the chance to vote for and elect the government you want? If only a certain amount of people turn up to vote, then the others don't really get a say in who was elected, and while they may complain about it, they can do nothing because they didn't vote. Here too, it's actually the party that we vote for, we don't directly vote for Howard, Rudd or whoever. The party picks the leader that they want, and when they get the majority with the number of seats, then they can form government. We also have preferential voting, which means you have to number more than one box on the ballot. I don't like this, but we are stuck with it. it means casting a vote for someone you would prefer doesn't get it. Anyway, getting back to America. I feel that the government and media has done you a great disservice by i) not fully disclosing why they went to war in the first place (they say WMDs, but I believe it was for oil and to protect Israel); and ii) not trying to come to a peaceful solution so that people wouldn't be killed in the first place. See, terrorists don't think like everyone else, they don't fight with armies and in groups, so the Geneva Convention wouldn't apply to them. A covert operation to go in and flush them out would have saved innocent people being harmed, and world opinion would have said 'good job' for bringing a peaceful end to it all. Anyway, we know that Bush will be gone next election, and maybe here Howard will be too.

Bush is a dangerous theocrat, him and his adm. have obliterated seperation of church and state, trampled the US constitution, it's obvious he aspired to become a dictator. However the PNAC and NWO agenda are larger than one person, one party, or even one nation. It's ran by rich oil company executives, international bankers, fanatical religious leaders, and it is seriously undermining the free world because those people on top are highly greedy and selfish. Bush is just a puppet that was set in office to carry out their deeds. Bush's grandfather, who started I believe it was Chase Manhattan Bank, funded Hitler and his army during WW2. Go ahead, look it up, do the research.

So you would prefer government by Democrats elitists?


I agree. He is a man with principles who stands by them, and isn't blown by every wind from the polls. And I think he's doing his best to do a really tough job. But he's abysmal at expressing himself (Aspie?). And his position on open borders sucks.


Something like a thousand to one. But I'd much rather hear the statistic of soldiers lost vs. enemy combatants killed captured. Which is something the press never reports on. We get the damnable daily body count, with zero perspective. I was literally stunned the other day when in a speech (which was, predictably, barely covered by the press), Bush noted that over a thousand enemy combatants and/or terrorists were killed or captured every month. Compare that to 2 or 3 soldiers being killed every day, and that puts a whole new spin on it. We are winning this thing, folks. That's the big secret the press doesn't want getting out.


You left out the Masons, the Papists and the Trilateral Commission.

Er.. Johnny: Winning? How do you work that one out? No one actually 'wins' in war, it isn't a game. People get killed, and for what? So someone in office can feel comfortable that they may have 'put an end to the wrongs of the world'? War IS hell, and it's something that should be severely DIScouraged at all times. You may say that what happened on Sept 11 01 deserved retaliation; I believe fighting back has only made the situation worse. As I said, these terrorists don't play by your rules, so you need to get them on their terms. Sacrificing people for ideals doesn't get you anywhere. Fighting for them peacefully does. Call me a hippie pacifist if you want, goes with being a pagan I guess; at least I will feel comfortable knowing I never had to kill anyone in a conflict I didn't agree with just because someone ordered me to.