Should men have the right to opt out of parenthood?

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15 Jun 2024, 4:08 am

I hope this does not get so heated it gets locked, but lets see.

I ran across a reddit post today of a 19 year old guy, and apparently, he got his girlfriend pregnant. Well, he does not want a kid yet but might in the future and his girlfriend decided she wanted to keep the pregnancy. Apparently she was ok with raising them herself and even offered to not go for child support...but he mentioned he'd certainly be willing to give some financial help but just doesn't think he can be a dad at this point. And they broke up because well she decided she will carry the pregnancy and be a mom and he does not want to be a parent at this point in his life.

But so many comments were saying he is the as*hole if he abondons the kid, but some people also act like women are as*holes if they get an abortion because they are not ready to be a mom yet and that is messed up, but it seems also messed up to force fatherhood on a man who is not willing to take care of a child. Like I am a childfree woman and my boyfriend also does not want children...I don't think fatherhood should be forced because that is simular to forcing motherhood on a woman who does not want it.

And like if he doesn't want to be a dad yet, would he even be a good dad for the child?


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15 Jun 2024, 4:20 am

Yes.

It does happen, however, that some mothers legally refuse to acknowledge the paternity of their child, essentially saying the child has no father.  If the father knows this, he can challenge the decision in court, and agree to pay the child support; but if he does not, then he is not legally obligated to support the child in any way -- morally, yes; legally, no.

If the father does not know he has a child then he may receive a big surprise many years later.


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15 Jun 2024, 9:01 am

Yes, but only if women have the same right via abortion in their state.

Parental rights have to be equal.

That's why it's so unfair when girls and women are forced to carry babies when the father is allowed to screw off.

After the baby's born either parent can legally walk.


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15 Jun 2024, 2:17 pm

The baby's right is the important thing and should be put first.


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15 Jun 2024, 2:39 pm

BillyTree wrote:
The baby's right is the important thing and should be put first.

Why? We could just offer effective family planning to everybody and then society can pick up the tab and provide care independent of the parents.

As for the question, men should have the same rights with respect to parenthood with the exception of anything that is intimately tied to actually carrying the fetus. A financial abortion would be a reasonable way of addressing that women generally can get an abortion, where legal, with or without the consent of the father.



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15 Jun 2024, 5:02 pm

IsabellaLinton wrote:
Yes, but only if women have the same right via abortion in their state.
This is a given.
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Parental rights have to be equal.
Another given.
IsabellaLinton wrote:
That's why it's so unfair when girls and women are forced to carry babies when the father is allowed to screw off.
Another given.
IsabellaLinton wrote:
After the baby's born either parent can legally walk.
Surrenduring the child for adoption is a viable answer.


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16 Jun 2024, 1:26 am

It's not a given but I'm glad you agree.


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16 Jun 2024, 8:45 am

IsabellaLinton wrote:
It's not a given but I'm glad you agree.

I agree, if it truly were a given, this topic wouldn't have been made in a world where it's not already the norm.



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16 Jun 2024, 10:29 am

Sweetleaf wrote:
Should Men Have The Right To Opt Out Of Parenthood?

Yes.


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16 Jun 2024, 10:36 am

I wouldn't say men should have this right, but they should be entitled to openly discuss the situation with all involved, including the grandparents, but bear in mind that the woman will bear the brunt of the burden no matter what happens.


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16 Jun 2024, 1:08 pm

MatchboxVagabond wrote:
BillyTree wrote:
The baby's right is the important thing and should be put first.

Why? We could just offer effective family planning to everybody and then society can pick up the tab and provide care independent of the parents.


In what way does that contradict what I wrote?


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16 Jun 2024, 1:24 pm

Even if they don't have the "right", many do it anyway.


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16 Jun 2024, 1:27 pm

IsabellaLinton wrote:
Yes, but only if women have the same right via abortion in their state.

Parental rights have to be equal.

That's why it's so unfair when girls and women are forced to carry babies when the father is allowed to screw off.

After the baby's born either parent can legally walk.


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16 Jun 2024, 1:28 pm

BillyTree wrote:
MatchboxVagabond wrote:
BillyTree wrote:
The baby's right is the important thing and should be put first.

Why? We could just offer effective family planning to everybody and then society can pick up the tab and provide care independent of the parents.


In what way does that contradict what I wrote?

I don't think that inherently a fetus has that level of prioritization. When the instances of unwanted or accidental pregnancies hits a point of approximately zero, we can talk about prioritizing the fetus over that of those that are already born, especially the mother that would be the most impacted by this.

The fact that we don't have those things is a pretty clear indication that the fetus isn't considered to be that important by society Some places do a better job of it than others, but I'm not aware of anywhere that being an orphan or put up for adoption at an early age is as good as having actual parents.



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16 Jun 2024, 1:30 pm

MaxE wrote:
I wouldn't say men should have this right, but they should be entitled to openly discuss the situation with all involved, including the grandparents, but bear in mind that the woman will bear the brunt of the burden no matter what happens.

There are degrees of that though. I think the most reasonable situation would be for the father to opt out and for society at large to pick up the tab. Society is going to pay a price one way or another, it would be far better to just pay it directly to ensure that the necessary resources are available for success then to pay it on the back end in terms of jail or lessened achievement.



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16 Jun 2024, 1:42 pm

Sweetleaf wrote:
I hope this does not get so heated it gets locked, but lets see.

I ran across a reddit post today of a 19 year old guy, and apparently, he got his girlfriend pregnant. Well, he does not want a kid yet but might in the future and his girlfriend decided she wanted to keep the pregnancy. Apparently she was ok with raising them herself and even offered to not go for child support...but he mentioned he'd certainly be willing to give some financial help but just doesn't think he can be a dad at this point. And they broke up because well she decided she will carry the pregnancy and be a mom and he does not want to be a parent at this point in his life.

But so many comments were saying he is the as*hole if he abondons the kid, but some people also act like women are as*holes if they get an abortion because they are not ready to be a mom yet and that is messed up, but it seems also messed up to force fatherhood on a man who is not willing to take care of a child. Like I am a childfree woman and my boyfriend also does not want children...I don't think fatherhood should be forced because that is simular to forcing motherhood on a woman who does not want it.

And like if he doesn't want to be a dad yet, would he even be a good dad for the child?


If he's made a child and he is named on legal documents then there ought to be some kind of accountability. Children need to be fed and clothed and that's really the least a man could offer even in his absence

If the mother hasn't named him on documents then that might be another story

It's a difficult question to answer really and not so black and white

Any human being can walk away from parental responsibility


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