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26 Aug 2007, 3:44 pm

Mother Teresa's Crisis of Faith

Jesus has a very special love for you. As for me, the silence and the emptiness is so great that I look and do not see, listen and do not hear.
— Mother Teresa to the Rev. Michael Van Der Peet, September 1979

It seems the inner spiritual life of a saint is no picnic. This Time Magazine article reviews her collected letters to her confessor. She says "a saint is not someone with clean hands, a saint is someone with willing hands."


Time Magazine article on new book of Mother Teresa's Letters to her Confessor



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26 Aug 2007, 3:49 pm

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8q1m-8npkJ4[/youtube]

I don't think much of her since I've read about what she was really like.



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26 Aug 2007, 3:56 pm

Gee, so life was too much to handle and sometimes she was down? Shame on her for being human like everyone else. Except that sometimes she wrote of not having faith in God and nonetheless kept helping Him as well as she could. Most people get discouraged and walk away without a backward glance.


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26 Aug 2007, 3:59 pm

Flagg wrote:

I don't think much of her since I've read about what she was really like.


well, doesn't look like she was in some popularity contest. I suppose she is not responsible for any legend that might have grown up around her. I don't think she decided one day to 'be a saint'.



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26 Aug 2007, 4:01 pm

sinsboldly wrote:
Flagg wrote:

I don't think much of her since I've read about what she was really like.


well, doesn't look like she was in some popularity contest. I suppose she is not responsible for any legend that might have grown up around her. I don't think she decided one day to 'be a saint'.


No, she just decided to be a sadist obsessed with making people suffer and put up a false image of kindliness. Stealing people's money to bulid her own religious insitutions while claiming it would all go to the poor.



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26 Aug 2007, 4:18 pm

mother theresa suffered from a messianic complex.


well....i wouldn't really say suffered considering all the money and free things she got from it. the people under her care certainly suffered, though.



but hey, the church has to try and establish itself as not only a bunch of old stories but that there can still be saints from today and miracle workers.

and who better than a woman who is somewhat charismatic and thinks they're a jesus figure.



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26 Aug 2007, 4:20 pm

Flagg wrote:
sinsboldly wrote:
Flagg wrote:

I don't think much of her since I've read about what she was really like.


well, doesn't look like she was in some popularity contest. I suppose she is not responsible for any legend that might have grown up around her. I don't think she decided one day to 'be a saint'.


No, she just decided to be a sadist obsessed with making people suffer and put up a false image of kindliness. Stealing people's money to bulid her own religious insitutions while claiming it would all go to the poor.


hum... well. . she DID work for the Catholic Church and that IS their usual method . . .So I guess it shouldn't be too much of a surprise that was how she operated.



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26 Aug 2007, 8:36 pm

Oh, smeg... don't mention charismatic and Jesus-figure in the same sentence; you might end up with the evangelists saying SHE is the antichrist, and you know where that will lead us to...


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26 Aug 2007, 9:02 pm

The_Chosen_One wrote:
Oh, smeg... don't mention charismatic and Jesus-figure in the same sentence; you might end up with the evangelists saying SHE is the antichrist, and you know where that will lead us to...



all the evangelists are charismatic jesus-figures.


why do you think they love to do the faith healing act? because it makes them seem like god.



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26 Aug 2007, 9:41 pm

I don't and didn't really follow what Mother Teresa is about... but anyone who confesses beliefs publicly but internally does not believe them... just a liar. There was probably great pressure on her to say these things... but anyone who wants to experience the sort of suffering she wanted to suffer... should have dealt with the public suffering of being honest...

Easy for me to say... sitting here in Wisconsin, lazy and doing nothing...

I'd rather be honest and do nothing, than a liar and do good works... but that's just me.


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26 Aug 2007, 9:42 pm

"Johnny, get up out of that wheelchair and WALK, in the name of Jesus! WALK!"

Silence falls as Johnny gets up to walk..... and falls flat on his face.

'Why didn't it work?' says Johnny, to which the evangelist turns and says, 'Well, you go to have faith.. Ooh, you got to have faith, faith faith....'


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26 Aug 2007, 9:44 pm

Pugly wrote:
I don't and didn't really follow what Mother Teresa is about... but anyone who confesses beliefs publicly but internally does not believe them... just a liar. There was probably great pressure on her to say these things... but anyone who wants to experience the sort of suffering she wanted to suffer... should have dealt with the public suffering of being honest...

Easy for me to say... sitting here in Wisconsin, lazy and doing nothing...

I'd rather be honest and do nothing, than a liar and do good works... but that's just me.



but...mother theresa didn't do good works.


she didn't run a hospital, she ran a place that was solely for people to die. people weren't treated, at most they were barely cared for in some of the worst conditions.

she helped people die and enjoyed their suffering and felt it made her more spiritual and holy.



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26 Aug 2007, 9:48 pm

Anyway, I just love that Penn & Teller show. Has a very apt title....


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26 Aug 2007, 9:53 pm

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she didn't run a hospital, she ran a place that was solely for people to die. people weren't treated, at most they were barely cared for in some of the worst conditions.

she helped people die and enjoyed their suffering and felt it made her more spiritual and holy.


Well as I said, I don't really know much about her life or her works. I haven't really analyzed it or the sources of those who say she was great, or those who say her hospitals were bad. I really don't care at this point...


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26 Aug 2007, 10:10 pm

It makes me sad that people sitting around in 1st world nations are so quick to judge this woman based on hearsay and the fact that her sanctuaries and hospitals for the poor were not up to our standards.

Have you ever been to see starving people and drunkards lying in the street? To see little dirty children running around with no one to care for them? To see widows struggling to throw together some corrugated tin shelter over their broods? I have seen these things with my own eyes. When you have a limited amount of funds, there is only so much you can do to help in a nation where millions of people are neglected and dying. Maybe she wasn't perfect, but she did a hell of a lot more in India than she would have been able to do if she'd stayed home and lived a relatively comfy, sheltered life in Albania.

As for her spiritual struggle, I say that only makes her more noble. It is easy to press on when you're inspired and high on something or other. Imagine doing what she did, and being depressed all the time. Lots of people just stay home and get drunk on days like those.



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26 Aug 2007, 10:13 pm

gwenevyn wrote:
When you have a limited amount of funds, there is only so much you can do to help in a nation where millions of people are neglected and dying.


if she had limited funds then she wouldn't have been able to open up so many convents world wide. the money was given to the vatican and was generally spent on other things than the hospices where people went to die. she took money from crooked governments too. i guess blood money is still green for her and her ilk.