Do a lot here like Biden or just really hate Trump?

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A lot of people on here hate on Donald Trump, and everything Trump does = bad or TDS, but seem to at least give Biden a less harsh pass. Is the main consensus on here more about liking Biden or Democrats in general or just really hating Trump and many republicans? Do a lot of people realize that the Dems are just as bad, if not worse?

Ah yes, Trump is still crazy in a lot of regards but as for policy I consider him the lesser of the two evils, especially economically and domestic security.

I’ve not been happy with Biden, but I have even bigger concerns about Trump and his stance on most core issues, especially his promotion of nationalism.

Even if I found his politics less offensive, I wouldn’t vote for him on account of him being a rapist.

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I hate Trump because of Project 2025, and the resultant plan to turn the entire US into Oklahoma.

I can't support someone who, despite just being convicted of bribing a porn star, wants to control when, how, and with whom everbody else has sex. We need someone who wants to dismantle purity culture, not cram it down our throats.

But I'm worried that people could be put off by Biden's age and his debate performance. His replacement would likely be Gavin Newsom or VP Harris, both of whom would be unable to win over right-of-center voters who want nothing to do with Trump.

Both Newsom and Harris are from California, a place that conservatives consider to be a hell on earth. Plus Harris is an educated woman of color, every right-winger's worst nightmare. (so much for suggesting AOC as a replacement)

i detest today's brand of republicanism, the party is, to a person, perennially in favor of policies that i find personally injurious. the worst thing i find about them is their smug ableism. for those reasons the democratic party will always be the lesser of two evils for me. at least the democrats tried on multiple occasions to overcome united GOP opposition to expanding affordable health care to the working class.

i don't like how biden treated anita hill but that is still a world less evil than trumpy's mildest transgressions. the choice is still, truly the lesser of two evils. good cop versus bad cop.

I would say my main reason for voting for Biden is he is the opposer to trump, not for sure because I am totally satisfied with Biden as president...but he isn't trump. I do wish in the debate he would have confronted trump about how he is the one who f****d up Afghanistan because of the deal trump made with the taliban. Biden had nothing to do with that, it was all trump.

That said if Biden dies during term it goes to the vice president right?, And I'd rather have Kamala Harris as the president than another old white man or whatever sort of cheeto donald trump will rope in as his vice president.

Also seemed like Trump tried to deflect every question to talk up a bunch of fearmongering about immigrants, whereas biden actually tried answering the questions. Like if trump wasn't fear mongering about immigrants he was lying.

I'm not a big fan of Biden. He has done some good things, but also done really badly with supporting Israel. However, I'm 100% voting for him because the opposition getting into office would be a catastrophe.

The Religious Right are ready to strike and disintegrate the forces that protect us from their worst impulses and they are so happy to have "dictator for a day" Trump to be their vehicle inside.

Project 2025 is a straight-up nightmare. There are no ifs, ands or buts. This is serious. It's got me panicking even thought I have moved to a blue state because I know that Project 2025 will not respect blue states' rights.

This is SO bad that it's got me keeping on delaying thinking of seeing someone about getting screened for autism because the fact of the matter is that I don't want to be put on another list of what Trump and the Christofascists consider "undesirables".

Hey I don't want to have a whole feud or anything, but I am wondering how you mean he is bad at supporting Israel? Like he did hold off whatever Iran attack or whatever that could have harmed a lot of Isrealis. But at the same time Israel is kind of doing a genocide...mostly because of their corrupt warmongering leader...even a lot of people in Israel don't agree with him. All Biden did was stop them getting more majorly destructive bombs to use against civilians...otherwise he has been supporting Israel against hamas as best he can.

LIke, when I was a kid doing an art project we had magazines to cut out pictures, and there were some national geographic articles of how bad it is for palestinians like constantly getting their houses bulldozed and being treated like the scum of the earth...those articles were from the 90's and like apparently it has not gotten any better for them. Like yes Israel has the right to exist, but they don't have the right to commit a genocide.

But nah totally with you about the 2025 crap, that is horrific and for sure I may rather die than live in a country that works the way project 2025 would like the country to work.

Geezer One or Geezer Two?

Fuhrer Trump or Sleepy Joe?

The Devil or the Deep Blue Sea?

If only there was a third candidate that didn't sound like (s)he escaped from a cartoon asylum.

i still have trouble understanding why nearly half the voters seem to be eager to dump democracy in favor of a dictatorship?

I knew the answer in 2016. They were mostly trying to keep Hillary Clinton out of the WH, because "wimmin shouldn't oughta be president".

And because they were paranoid about their wives and daughters being "raped by Mexicans", or their kids being "molested by trans people or drag queens", or having their precious guns taken away, or being thrown in jail for hate speech for quoting Leviticus 18:22.

No, they were trying to keep her out because she's just only slightly less of a crook than Trump and competent enough to be really scary in the WH.The only reason why we got Trump was that the establishment Democrats rigged the primaries against Bernie and he lacked the guts to go 3rd party.

That would be ideal but for now we have Biden or Trump and if either of them die in term then we get their vice president, and I figure Kamala Harris is better than any cheeto the trump side can come up with if trump dies.

I have already decided whose my own lesser than two evils. You keep yours too. But I wanted to get a feel of what specific direction things were going on here.

There is some elements of truth in the posts in this thread this far, but a lot of stuff is BS too.

If anything, I think the right-wing zeitgeist is less overtly religious than it was from say the 1980s to the start of the Obama era. There is still a religious right element, but they seem to be reacting to the elements of the left that says anything orthodox religious is inherently hateful and bigoted like their social views on homosexuality and gender. I am culturally Christian but lean agnostic, but my political views are not progressive.

Change the "or" to an "and" in the title question, and my answer would be "yes".

A) I know it aint cool to say it, but I actually like Biden (or at least I like the ten years younger version of him I knew as Obama's vp).He has done a pretty good job so far. Would be more enthused about Bernie Sanders. But I am not looking for excitement. Just decency and competence right now.

B) Am terrified that Trump, his corrupt supreme court cadre, and the plan 2025ers, will end American democracy.

So in my case the answer to the question in the title is "yes". I like Biden and I hate Trump.

But yes...its more the second part. I want the American experiment in democracy to continue so I have no choice but to fear Trump.

If the Dems ran a Trump type candidate I would hold my nose and vote for a pre 2016 type GOPer like Mitt Romney just to preserve the rule of law.

Go on...