What's your take on the Larry Craig bathroom bust?

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I've been following the Larry Craig scandal. The colossal hypocrisy of this bigot is astounding. How could you live with yourself when you hail yourself as being the perfect conservative family man with a "God given mission to fight for Family Values" and vote to pass all these anti gay measures on the one hand(against gay marriage, against protection of gays in case of hate crimes, etc...), and, on the other hand, solicitting men for sex in public bathrooms?

He signed the documents stating he admitted full guilt in the matter, and now he wants to revoke his plea, saying he didn't know what he was signing, even though the judge explained it to him, and, after all, he is a Senator, so he should be able to understand the words "I am guilty".

Well, I guess it's only a matter of days until he finds Jesus or goes to rehab...

What do you think about this matter?

Who the frock is Larry Craig? Oh, some US politician. That explains why I've never heard of him.

Yeah, I guess I should have posted this topic under "News and Current Events"...

he's already a man of god...the act will be refinding jesus and reestablishing his purity.

i think its hilarious. trying to act good only makes you want to be bad. and that any form of public service is crap

Maybe he was looking for Jesus in the stalls with the rest of the boys. We all know about them smoking in the Boys' room......

he was certainly looking to smoke something in the boys room.

Or maybe if he found Christ there he would give him a flushing... oops baptism in the stalls.

On the one hand, I think elected officials do bear the burden of having to live up to a higher moral standard, especially if they're gonna drone on about "family values".

On the other hand, I'm not aware it's against the law to be gay, or to 'hit on' others in public, so long as it's not in a harassing manner. Also, this is the accusing police officer's report:

The officer says his shoe was touched under the partition by Craig's shoe.

The point is moot; it was a stupid thing for anyone to do, much less an elected official. I'm somewhat aghast at how the police have handled this though.

[quote="UncleBeer"]On the other hand, I'm not aware it's against the law to be gay, or to 'hit on' others in public, so long as it's not in a harassing manner.
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No, he hasn't been arrested for being gay, although he gave a whole press conference specifically to deny he was gay, and not answering any questions afterwards, which, of course, made him look even gayer. He was, however, arrested for solicitting sex in a public bathroom, which IS illegal in the United States (HE was instrumental in passing that law, can you believe it ?! !!). On top of that, for him to be pushing and pushing to pass all these anti gay laws (he's a huge anti gay crusader) when he himself is a closeted, married homosexual who spends his time cruising for gay sex in public bathrooms is the height of hypocrisy.

I'm a fairly liberal person, and I personnally couldn't care less if men want to cruise in bathrooms, it's kinda gross and icky to me (just go to a bar or an adult bookstore, or go on-line if you must), but that's their thing. It doesn't bother me and I certainly wouldn't push to pass a law against it if I were Senator.

But I do care, a lot, when a married Senator, who's entire career is based on implementing and upholding "Family Values and and Righteousness" (in other words, bigotry and hatred), and positions himself as a bastion of traditional morality, engages in the exact same behaviour which he claims is revolting and should be severely punished.

Larry Craig is the kind of man (and I use the term losely) who makes me sick to my stomach.

Hope his career is down the toilet for good.

No. He was charged with "misdemeanor disorderly conduct", not soliciting.

And read the police report again. He was assumed to be fishing for sex simply because he'd put his bag in front of the bathroom door, and because he was tapping his foot (in response to the policeman's tapping).

Again, I'm not advocating hypocrisy; merely that the law and its application make sense to the average person. That didn't happen here.

Well it sure makes complete sense to me.

Misdemeanor disorderly conduct, OK, you're right. After all, he is a Senator and they have to go by the strict letter of the same laws he himself helped implement. But, for all intents and purposes, we all know what it means. It's just under general legal jargon. Clearly, you know very little about bathroom cruising. As a gay man, I can tell you unequivocally and without hesitation that his behaviour is EXACTLY what men do to ask for some form of sex in a public bathroom. And the police who are trained to regognize all the approptiate signals, and have been doing this for years, also know this. Come on , be real here, you don't have to be a behavioural expert to grasp this: you don't stare at someone who's inside a stall, for TWO minutes (why don't you count two minutes on your watch, and imagine you're peering into someone else's stall, you'll get a better picture of what's going on), then decide to go sit in the stall next to him when it becomes available, then block your door with your bag (which is a known tactict to hide the goings on), then put your foot all the way over in the other person's stall and tap it in response to an initial tapping (another known cruising tactict), then make all this sign language and put your hand under the separation and gesture to the man in the other stall, unless you want to engage in some kind of behaviour that has nothing to do with using the restroom to piss or to take a crap. Any gay man recognizes this as being a clear signal that the guy wants some action.

Oh, and wait wait wait, he actually pleaded GUILTY to these charges.

It's not like he's a poor immigrant who can't speak English, or that he doesn't understand the law and what's going on and is being framed. He waited almost two months to enter his guilty plea, so he had plenty of time to think it over.

Again, I personnally disagree with the laws which make this behaviour "disorderly conduct". But hey, wait a minute here, if you're resposible for making it illegal to cruise public bathrooms, and if you're actively promoting all this anti gay stuff, and go around crusading against gay marriage and against further protection of gays in cases of hate crimes, etc..., and, after being caught red handed, you finally must admit to engaging in a "misdemeanor disorderly conduct" with another man in a public bathroom, I call that disgusting hypocrisy.

If this were an openly gay Senator, or anyone not invovled in anti gay "reform", I would feel sorry for them, and think this law is ridiculous anyway, that we should let people live and cruise wherever they want to, but since Craig is the one who so vehemently supports such laws, I say prosecute him to the full extent of the laws he helped pass.

I'm on notice never to tap my foot in a public bathroom again.

And yes, I'm blissfully ignorant of this manner of 'wooing' potential cohorts.

Hopefully the people in Idaho can see through this closet case and call on him to resign!
Is it true Larry Craig did something similar in the 1980s & got away with it?
And is Idaho one of the most conservative, most homophobic states in the US?
If Larry Craig was actually gay, then I agree with Michel.
But since Craig comes from Idaho, then let him be convicted by the people he serves and to the fullest extent of the law.
He is a certain type of man who makes me want to rip out something.

PS: I'm also on notice to bring some tape in case someone wants to stare at me while I'm trying to take a crap! It's very rude if there's a crack wide enough for someone to peek in & give the occupant of the stall "the eye."

From reports, Craig "peered" from a distance of 3 feet from the door. Not exactly 'invasion of privacy'. And for the user of the stall not to give out a hearty "Take a hike, Nancy!" under these circumstances points to entrapment.

But ya'll seem to be more familiar with the 'secret handshake' than I.