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29 Aug 2007, 9:11 am

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"Christ is the English term for the Greek word Χριστός (Christós), which literally means "The Anointed One." The Hebrew word for Christ is מָשִׁיחַ (Mašíaḥ, usually transliterated Messiah)."

Just wanted to put this here for people who think this was Jesus's last name. I wonder if he had a last name and if so what it is.


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29 Aug 2007, 11:55 am

VesicaPisces wrote:
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"Christ is the English term for the Greek word Χριστός (Christós), which literally means "The Anointed One." The Hebrew word for Christ is מָשִׁיחַ (Mašíaḥ, usually transliterated Messiah)."

Just wanted to put this here for people who think this was Jesus's last name. I wonder if he had a last name and if so what it is.


I think His full name was "Yeshua bar Yosef". The first name is the same as "Joshua" in the Old Testament, which means "salvation".


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29 Aug 2007, 5:11 pm

So then his name could be interpreted as "Josh Temple Joseph". Thats interesting. Bar=Temple in Sumerian. I also find it interesting that phoneticly, Jesus in spanish sounds like "He's us" :)


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29 Aug 2007, 5:46 pm

Ah, is that like "from/or a member of the temple of Joseph"? I always thought it was like "son of Joseph."


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29 Aug 2007, 5:55 pm

You are probably right EatingPoetry. I understand that language can be very complex. I was just going with a base interpretation. Still interesting. Does anyone know if people had surnames back then?


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29 Aug 2007, 6:14 pm

VesicaPisces wrote:
You are probably right EatingPoetry. I understand that language can be very complex. I was just going with a base interpretation. Still interesting. Does anyone know if people had surnames back then?


Sorry, I didn't mean to sound like I was correcting you or whatever! I'm curious myself. I do think people (men) were identified by whose son of whose son etc. they were. but maybe also by clan or sect or something. So I am wondering, too.


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29 Aug 2007, 8:01 pm

yeah its a title. he doesnt have a last name



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29 Aug 2007, 8:06 pm

bar (or ben) is hebrew for "the son of."

In the Talmud he is called "ben Pantera," a slur on his virgin birth, the jews saying since no one knew who his father really was, he must have been the illegitimate son of a Roman soldier (and they made up the name Pantera for that soldier).

The Jews didn't have surnames like we do. That was a practice that was started by the Romans. (And perhaps by the Etruscans before them.) You were Jesus the son of Joseph, or Jesus from Nazareth (Judas Iscariot = Judas from Kariot), either recognized by who your father was or the place you were from, to distinguish you from other people with your name.


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30 Aug 2007, 1:35 am

Where there is a name like, say Julius Caesar, or Augustus Caesar, the last name was the title, which meant King. Yeshua bar Yosef would more than likely be 'Jesus son of Joseph', and it would be inscribed on the bone-box in the family tomb (if they are able to find it). Theory was that Jesus had siblings, James being one of them, and it was thought that he may have had a sister, but it couldn't be proved, as the tomb has not been uncovered. There are also similarities between the Christ mentioned in the scriptures, and other men of history (Crishna, Buddha for example), and there are a lot of them, going from the virgin birth up to the crucifixion and resurrection. Some people do not like the idea that these things are there, and call them heresy, but regardless of that point, they are mentioned in one form or other, and should be discussed. Now, I'm not saying that the story of Christ isn't exactly true, what I am saying is that the beliefs surrounding him have borrowed heavily from other faiths, and those other anointed figures should be given just as much credence as your Lord. To discount all other faiths that Christianity borrowed from, and then have Christians say there's is the one true faith is exactly the same as what you accused non-believers of doing to you.


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30 Aug 2007, 2:19 am

Pantera=Pan'Tera. I wonder if this translates to "All of Earth". Pan means all encompassing and Ter(r)a means Earth in latin.


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30 Aug 2007, 2:36 am

That's quite possible too, seeing as the name ISRAEL comes from the Egyptian ISIS, the wife of Osiris, RA, the Egyptian Sun God, and EL, the Saturn God, so the Jews named their land IS-RA-EL after those three things, and took the Sabbath from Saturn, or EL (Satur(n)day) which means the Jewish Sabbath is on Saturday, and the Christian Sabbath or day of rest is Sunday; Jesus was also referred to as the SUN of God, or light from heaven, he which rises from the dead (night) and shines through the clouds. Also, the image of Christ's head overlaying a cross refers to the sun and the axial plane in Astrology, and the 12 houses are the ages we are passing through and also the 12 desciples or apostles. Watch the videos on this, and make your own judgement, but the facts are there.


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