How Mass Illegal Immigration impacts citizens with autism

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According to ASAN, autistic adults who are US citizens and legal residents were already having considerate socio-economic barriers (namely stigma and lower wages than nondisabled NTs) in the first place waaaaay before Biden and Harris started opening the border allowing countless 10s of millions illegal aliens to enter the US and steal jobs from U.S. citizens. This is another proof that once again, the mainstream socialist/communist Democrat party of the U.S. have been proven to be backstabbers for Americans with disabilities. And I'm tired of being silent so I see the proof of test of time.
This fact that jobs in the community that citizens and legal residents with I/DD and autism are obviously the prime ways that these adults, like us, can live and sustain ourselves in the community, instead of sheltered workshops or institution colonies, are being taken by illegal aliens, undermines the Olmstead v. L.C. (1999) promise.

You undermine your credibility by insisting the Democratic Party are communists when they're ultimately neo-liberals who sometimes adopt a thin veneer of social democracy while mostly treating social democrats as too radical to be listened to.

Hook, line, sinker and 3 feet of rod.

I live in Canada, not that anyone cares. I'm worried that eventually it will be too expensive for anyone but very rich people to live up here or buy food. It might even be turning into a third-world country. But no one cares, they only care about what's happening in the USA.

Typical American Exceptionalism.

I`m not a US citizen so have no dog in this fight, i.e your election.

But mass uncontrolled immigration will nearly always have a negative impact on the poorest. They will have to compete for basic services, housing , education, basic jobs & welfare etc..

The disabled or autistic people are more likely to be poor on average by a massive margin, because they are less likely to be in jobs or good well paid jobs because of their disability .

This is just basic arithmetic, In fact your dog understands this. If your a dog owner and you bring another dog into the home, it will normally bark and get aggressive to protect its access to food as it and other animals understand the basic concept of supply & demand.

Of course humans will say but i can always buy 2 tins of dog food at the store and that is true for dogs, but the concept is less true for hospitals, housing and access to other public things that cost billions to produce when either the gov has no money or spends it on other things like foreign wars etc...

Anyone that tells you different is just gaslighting you, the word "gaslighting" made famous from an old US movie is about someone denying your reality, i.e what's real is not real.

Possibly because it makes them rich, for example asset prices like housing go up with more people causing more demand, rich people are more likely to own multiple homes and rent them out, there are other examples of profit taking in this regards like cheap labour for business owners.

This explains why the problem is never dealt with by politicians, i.e rich people.

The problem with your analogy is that dogs don't contribute to the home's income, whereas immigrants most certainly do contribute to GDP and government budgets through taxes.

except illegals don’t pay tax in fact they can’t as they don’t have a tax code.

When immigration is uncontrolled the majority work in the low wage economy undercutting the indigenous population with a race to the bottom wage competition. Tax revenue where it is generated from low paid work is minimal compared to other sources.

The immigrants use currency exchange extremes that make even low pay profitable. They may live in a shared house for example paying minimal rent and send money home that is converted into their weak currency.

A weakly wage in a G7 economy may be equivalent to a monthly or 6 monthly income in their home country. In good parts of SE Asia like Thailand the average wage is around $5 -$10 a day, it sounds terrible to us but food and housing may be $3 for example. Don’t quote these exact figures they are just examples of how it works.

But if they eventually go home and use what they sent back in their own currency, they can end up quite wealthy in their home countries if they use this technique.

Unfortunately the indigenous poor or working disabled population of the G7 countries don’t have this luxury as their rents and housing is not minimal, there is no where for them to build up wealth.

Also there is a strain on their public services as mentioned earlier.

Politicians use the accusation of racism or far right against anyone who raises criticism of this injustice as a weapon to keep their little personal wealth generation for them, donors and their friends going.

Rather than race people should really just follow the money nearly always true.

You really don't think they pay sales taxes like everyone else?

But beyond that, when they have to work with fake documents taxes and pension contributions are collected but they'll never be able to file for a tax return or collect the pension they've paid into.

Eh, I’ll bite

The problems that come with immigration are failures of government, not failures of the immigrants.

Housing wouldn’t be an issue if we had Japanese style zoning implemented at a state or province level.

Jobs wouldn’t be an issue long term because immigrants are significantly more likely to be business owners and to hire people than the native population. Let migrants start businesses and they can literally make their own jobs.

Taxes are a non-issue as even illegal immigrants pay sales taxes, income taxes, social security (in the us), etc. pulled out of their checks automatically. What do you guys seriously think employers are going to exempt their illegal employees from payroll taxes? And risk getting caught by the IRS and immigration?

So They do not have a choice in the matter. They pay taxes automatically. But unlike citizens, they get zero credits for it, so when they file taxes (which they often do, because many intend to become legal at some point and they think paying taxes helps them) they get nothing back- no credits or anything. In the US, they use an IRS pin to file taxes instead of a social security number.

You guys seriously think the government cares about where your money comes from? The government will happily take your money even if you’re not here legally. They love taking money and then not having to give anything back.

Integration isn’t an issue, at least in the US, as the migrants we get are already culturally similar to us. In Canada, the situation is different, but could’ve been resolved by mandatory classes on Canadian culture and history. Again, government failure.

Finally, for other people with ASD, exactly what kind of work are immigrants taking that people with ASD would do / would be negatively affected by?

The only thing I can think of is tech, but that’s an H1-B visa problem- again, a government failure, not a failure on the (in this case, 100% legal) migrant.

All of the above are government failures, not failures of immigrants. Most immigrants come here intending to work and make money. They know the deal.

The problem is that the government continuously fails to make necessary changes and so that results in problems.

We should be pushing the government to make necessary changes rather than blaming immigrants for the problem of the week, but that’s hard and it’s a lot easier to just blame others rather than actually doing the work to change things.

The OP's argument would only hold water if people with ASD were competing for jobs that undocumented immigrant workers usually take on, like farm workers and construction laborers, which they are not.

We need more (typically clumsy) autists working on the disassembly line in meat-packing plants. That will go well for all involved.

Yeah the Venn diagram of jobs where folks with ASD work at and where illegal immigrants work at are two separate circles.

About 40% of people with ASD are unemployed and most of the rest work in niches, specializations or odd positions that would be difficult for someone without documents to fill.

It’s also ironically very, very difficult for people with ASD to get and keep jobs that are unskilled. This is largely a result of 1.)the “spiky skill set” people with ASD tend to have and 2.)inability to deal with / put up with the ridiculous social dynamics present in unskilled blue collar work

This creates a crazy high floor wherein people with ASD are underrepresented in jobs with low pay but way overrepresented both in jobs that pay really well and people who don’t work.

This is the complete opposite of the employment experience of most immigrants. So I’d argue that IRL immigration has little to no impact on work for people with ASD.

Im just sick of all these non citizens and people with victim mentality being prioritized when they have nothing wrong with them healthwise. Literally all that support should be going to people with health issues, mental or physical

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As soon as I saw the subject line, I suspected the first post to be a poorly-worded conspiracy theory written as a vain attempt at trying to stir up FUD against Democrats.

My suspicions were confirmed before I even started reading the second paragraph.

On further study, it seems to have been produced with the assistance of an unthinking AI, such as ChatGPT.

There are so many issues with the OP.

1) There are not tens of millions of illegal immigrants in the US. There is about 12 million. Most have been there for many years. There were 12 million in 2005 and 10 million in 2020.

2) There is not a "lump of labour", with jobs being "stolen" by immigrants. Immigrants help to create more jobs.

3) Illegal immigrants generally do not do similar jobs to autistic Americans.

4) Biden and Harris are not socialists or communists, they are centre-left social democrats who support capitalism while also expanding government spending.

5) Rather than liberalising immigration, the Biden administration has implemented exactly the policies that OP is advocating for, clamping down on illegal immigration without making it easier to immigrate legally. This has probably harmed the American economy.

6) Despite my reservations about many of Biden's left-wing policies, under his stewardship, the unemployment rate has dropped to historic lows. This contrasts very favourably to Trump, who managed to wreck Obama's booming economy and saw unemployment hit the highest rate since the Great Depression.

OP seems very confused. He says he wants to lower unemployment, and yet he hates Joe Biden, who has cut unemployment. He says he hates immigrants, but he also hates Joe Biden, who has done more than any other president to reduce immigration. And he says he hates communism, but he supports massive socialist state intervention in the free market to stop employers choosing the best employees to hire.

Opposition to uncontrolled immigration is inherently communist and anti-American. If you don't like immigration, you can always move to North Korea, where there is very little immigration.

North Korea is an authoritarian s**thole so I'm not surprised.

Here in the UK uncontrolled immigration (700,000 net last year) has made life more difficult for brits on low incomes. Harder to rent a flat/house. Harder to get a GP appointment or NHS healthcare. Harder to get a school place for your kids.