Why Does Everyone Feel So Politically Homeless? - Ana Kaspar

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02 Nov 2024, 5:04 pm

This seems like a bit of a watershed moment. Obviously Dave Rubin ejected from Young Turks, Ana has as well but I don't think she's planning on hanging with Dave or with Charlie Kirk anytime soon. It would be watershed if she keeps her unaligned perspective and encourages other people to as well, mainly for the purpose of what's really going on and, what I'd really hope for, change the pressure on Washington to solve the problems that are driving people insane from never being able to get out of debt or people not feeling like they have the money to meet all of the demands society places on parents.


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02 Nov 2024, 5:06 pm

Ana's bad takes are why I haven't watched TYT in years.

And now she's preparing to start the same grift as Dave Rubin and Jimmy Dore, which further reduces whatever credibility she might have once had.

I'm looking forward to her Why I Left The Left special on Prager U.


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02 Nov 2024, 5:24 pm

People also look for meaning when they're feeling stuck. The homeless groping incident at the park seems to have spurred her curiosity as well though.


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02 Nov 2024, 9:16 pm

funeralxempire wrote:
Ana's bad takes are why I haven't watched TYT in years.

And now she's preparing to start the same grift as Dave Rubin and Jimmy Dore, which further reduces whatever credibility she might have once had.

I'm looking forward to her Why I Left The Left special on Prager U.

Jimmy Dore didn't used to be too bad several years ago, but I've got his videos blocked because of just how bad his takes have been since Covid. They may have been bad before that, but that was the point where it was really clear that he had no idea what he was talking about.

In general, I don't watch really anybody from that network just because of how bad the takes are.

Personally, I'm politically homeless because I used to qualify as either a conservative Democrat or Liberal Republican, which these days makes me I'm not even sure what right now. But, definitely not Democrat or Republican.



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02 Nov 2024, 10:10 pm

One thing to clarify - I haven't particularly been a fan. I never got the vibe that she was a crap person deep down but I'd agree that the 'takes' were toward the nutters. I watched that whole interview and she's at least saying all the right things about wanting to disengage from others as far as how she decided her way forward and wants to keep her political autonomy for more of her own research and write all of the nuanced thoughts that she was dying to have but couldn't as a certified member of the left. Chris even joked with her that the online take is she's grifting rightward and will have some huge deal with Rumble soon - present.


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02 Nov 2024, 10:35 pm

MatchboxVagabond wrote:
Personally, I'm politically homeless because I used to qualify as either a conservative Democrat or Liberal Republican, which these days makes me I'm not even sure what right now. But, definitely not Democrat or Republican.

I've never had a political home unless you count the year or two in my early youth when I supported the Tories. :oops: After that I was a kind of socialist for a while, and still find an appeal in socialism, but I've never yet found a political party or ideology that squares very well with my feelings. But it's not so bad being politically homeless. There's a freedom in it, not having to toe any party line or to pretend to agree with whatever groupthink they've concocted. They're all wrong about something or other. So stuff the lot of them. I might vote for one lot to keep the other lot out, but don't talk to me about faith in politicians or leaders in general. They're a necessary evil at best.

Perhaps a better question would be, why does anybody feel so politically housed?



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03 Nov 2024, 12:05 am

In the US, the Republican party ideology ranges from the extreme right to the center right, and the Democratic party ideology ranges from the center right to the center. There is virtually no left in American politics except for a few outliers in the very moderate left like Bernie Sanders. I agree with much of what Bernie Sanders advocates so I would consider that to be my political home base, though I am further left than he is.



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03 Nov 2024, 12:16 am

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In the US, the Republican party ideology ranges from the extreme right to the center right, and the Democratic party ideology ranges from the center right to the center. There is virtually no left in American politics except for a few outliers in the very moderate left like Bernie Sanders. I agree with much of what Bernie Sanders advocates so I would consider that to be my political home base, though I am further left than he is.


Would Cornel West or Jill Stein qualify as left?


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03 Nov 2024, 12:59 am

Tim_Tex wrote:
bee33 wrote:
In the US, the Republican party ideology ranges from the extreme right to the center right, and the Democratic party ideology ranges from the center right to the center. There is virtually no left in American politics except for a few outliers in the very moderate left like Bernie Sanders. I agree with much of what Bernie Sanders advocates so I would consider that to be my political home base, though I am further left than he is.


Would Cornel West or Jill Stein qualify as left?

I respect Cornel West and I don't know a lot about Jill Stein though she strikes me as a bit of a kook and a lightweight, but I wouldn't vote for either of them because they can't win and defeating Trump is too important. I think they should stay out of the presidential race as they can do no good. There are other ways to promote third party politics. I strongly disagree with third parties running in a presidential election as they can only do harm.



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03 Nov 2024, 9:47 am

bee33 wrote:
In the US, the Republican party ideology ranges from the extreme right to the center right, and the Democratic party ideology ranges from the center right to the center. There is virtually no left in American politics except for a few outliers in the very moderate left like Bernie Sanders. I agree with much of what Bernie Sanders advocates so I would consider that to be my political home base, though I am further left than he is.


That explains why I laugh my socks off every time I hear American right-wingers pretending that the Democrats are communists. Would somebody please show me a Democrat who doesn't embrace capitalism?



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03 Nov 2024, 11:25 am

I have not felt “at home” with any political party since the Reagan administration.

Too conservative for the DNC, and too liberal for the GOP. Not into blatant hypocrisy, so that leaves out the Libertarians, and the Independents are just an offshoot of the DNC.

The rest are as impotent as a lame-duck senator.


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10 Nov 2024, 10:34 am

Seeing the few bits of Ana back on TYT I don't think she's prepping for a slot on Daily Wire or Prager U, I think she's prepping for an episode on Sam Harris's Making Sense and audiences like that.

TBH - if the Democrat party needs a purge of the permanent 'The other side is literally Nazi and any Democrat who disagrees with me is a Nazi sympathizer' I think it's good to have people who are up for that challenge who aren't running rightward. I don't want the Democrat party to wring out everyone whose not a pathocrat and spiral into minor party irrelevance because if you think about how things like that work - if the Republican party becomes sort of a uniparty that means the garbage will pile up there and it could become a real threat once it becomes the place to social-climb and power grab.

I think what we need to learn again is healthy disagreement, it's a skill that we didn't transmit to younger generations well.


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10 Nov 2024, 11:59 am

techstepgenr8tion wrote:
I think what we need to learn again is healthy disagreement, it's a skill that we didn't transmit to younger generations well.

That would be a good thing. I'm surprised how expressed political opinions can cause the acrimony they do, given that as individuals most of us lack the power to make the slightest difference to the system we live under.



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10 Nov 2024, 12:34 pm

techstepgenr8tion wrote:
Seeing the few bits of Ana back on TYT I don't think she's prepping for a slot on Daily Wire or Prager U, I think she's prepping for an episode on Sam Harris's Making Sense and audiences like that.

TBH - if the Democrat party needs a purge of the permanent 'The other side is literally Nazi and any Democrat who disagrees with me is a Nazi sympathizer' I think it's good to have people who are up for that challenge who aren't running rightward. I don't want the Democrat party to wring out everyone whose not a pathocrat and spiral into minor party irrelevance because if you think about how things like that work - if the Republican party becomes sort of a uniparty that means the garbage will pile up there and it could become a real threat once it becomes the place to social-climb and power grab.

I think what we need to learn again is healthy disagreement, it's a skill that we didn't transmit to younger generations well.

From what I understand TYT started out wanting to be shock jocks and over time moved into their spot.

Personally, I've re-evaluated my stance on keeping my mouth shut. Previously, my general attitude was that I'd just smile and nod as other minority groups would say unhinged and counterproductive things because I thought it mostly just affected them. But, what we've seen the last few election cycles out of the Democrats has made me question whether I should have kept my mouth shut. There's a lot of people out there who are like the Chinese I met when I lived in their country that are kind of ignorant, but a soft sort of an ignorant that can be influenced through exposure. Then there's the folks that just aren't on board with the more extreme ways in which a community can be. Nobody should feel bad for refusing to go along with nutty things like reparations given the rather racist way in which the money only seems to go out to people of color, even when its going to cover events that weren't targeted at people of color. I'm not aware of any money going to non-Japanese people that were locked in concentration camps in the US, even though it was hardly just Japanese-Americans in those camps, there were German-Americans, Italian-Americans and Chinese-Americans in there as well, it's just there's a cultural memory hole for the others.

And, right now, there just isn't a party for more rational-minded people that want to find a compromise that we can live with that's based in science and talking with people outside our own political faction. I should have to be pointing out to the "liberals" that being so insulting to the Trump supporters isn't going to help them in the next congressional elections. I shouldn't have to point out to the other folks in the LGBTQIA+ community that demanding that non-trans people need to use the term cisgender and enforce an artificial separation between trans and non-trans men and women is completely the opposite of what those folks used to want. And definitely counterproductive. If in a given situation the difference between trans and non-trans is necessary or if we need to talk about gender non-binary issues, there is language for that which doesn't involve misgendering a ton of people in the process. Which is kind of hypocritical given the way people freak out over being misgendered even when the people doing it have no way of knowing that the person isn't the gender they appear to be.



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10 Nov 2024, 12:37 pm

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techstepgenr8tion wrote:
I think what we need to learn again is healthy disagreement, it's a skill that we didn't transmit to younger generations well.

That would be a good thing. I'm surprised how expressed political opinions can cause the acrimony they do, given that as individuals most of us lack the power to make the slightest difference to the system we live under.

That's a lot of it. I've been in and around colleges for most of my life as my mother returned to collect when I as in elementary school and went on to work at a community college.

I've seen as the amount of freedom that people have to speak has been curtailed if it's on the conservative side. As much as I'd like to object when the right complains about it, they're not entirely wrong. It's hardly just neo-nazis and extremists that aren't permitted the same level of speech, it's increasingly anybody that questions the validity of BS like cis gender as a thing or whether we can really let people of color off the hook for saying bigoted things about white folks. When I started out, those were radical ideas that are now accepted by enough of the people that are speaking to make it more or less hard to really have a proper debate to figure out roughly what an appropriate line should be.



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10 Nov 2024, 8:15 pm

The only acceptable solutions:

1. Left-wing or far-left dictatorship: As champions of equality and free expression, they would obliterate Christian nationalism. In the case of Albania under Enver Hoxha, religion itself was banned.

2. Giant hippie commune: Weed and public nudity galore!

3. Anarchy: Abortion providers, people who smoke pot and use psychedelics, people who watch porn, and people who have non-procreational sex would not go to jail, because there would be no cops.


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