After Trump’s win, some women are considering the 4B movemen
https://www.yahoo.com/news/why-women-us ... 48357.html
In the hours and days since it became clear that Donald Trump would be re-elected president of the United States, there’s been a surge of interest in the US for 4B.
Young liberal women across TikTok and Instagram are discussing and sharing information about the South Korean feminist movement, in which straight women refuse to marry, have children, date or have sex with men.
These women say they are enraged and fed up after a majority of their male counterparts voted for a candidate who was found liable for sexual abuse and whose appointment of three conservative Supreme Court justices led to the overturning of national abortion rights protections.
In response, they say they’re swearing off men — and they’re encouraging others around the country to join them.
“We have pandered and begged for men’s safety and done all the things that we were supposed to, and they still hate us,” Ashli Pollard, a 36-year-old in St. Louis, told CNN.
“So if you’re going to hate us, then we’re going to do what we want.”
What is the 4B movement?
4B is a shorthand for the four Korean words bihon, bichulsan, biyeonae and bisekseu, which translate to no marriage, no childbirth, no dating and no sex with men.
The 4B movement emerged in South Korea around 2015 or 2016, per Ju Hui Judy Han, an assistant professor in gender studies at the University of California, Los Angeles. Mostly popular among young women in their 20s, she described it as a fringe offshoot of #MeToo and other feminist movements that arose in response to stark gender inequality in the country....
...It’s far too early to tell whether the 4B movement might seriously catch on in the US. But so far, at least, it’s generated a lot of online discussion among young women...
...Pollard says she learned about South Korea’s 4B movement a few years ago, inspiring her to “examine what a life looks like without centering men so deeply.” Since 2022, she says she hasn’t dated or slept with men and has realized that she’s better off on her own. She has the resources to support herself without marriage, and she plans to have a child alone.
Her decision to disengage from men wasn’t necessarily an act of vengeance, she says. Rather, it was about putting herself first. Now that other women around the country have taken an interest in 4B, she says she wants them to realize that they have other options.
“You push people far enough and they’re done,” she says. “How will that affect politics? We’ll see … but I think that women and their joy is going to be something that can’t really be overlooked anymore. Women are choosing themselves in droves.”...
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Some are skeptical 4B will catch on
In Han’s view, the 4B movement is unlikely to become mainstream in the US.
She says it relies too heavily on the gender binary and that those inspired to join it as a result of the election are overlooking the fact that plenty of women voted for Trump, too. (Though Vice President Kamala Harris maintained an edge with women, exit polls indicate that her lead was smaller than President Joe Biden’s or former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton’s during their respective presidential campaigns.)
Hadia Khanani, a 24-year-old from Florida, also has reservations about 4B in the US. Though she hasn’t engaged with men romantically for several years in an effort to prioritize herself, she wants women to dig deeper and examine their own role in upholding patriarchy. She also worries about the consequences of further isolating men.
“The conversation online has been centered around sleeping with men and dating men, obviously to protect yourself, but I just feel like misogyny and patriarchy is much deeper than that,” she says. “I think a lot of it is rooted in the way that men are raised in society.”
Even if large numbers of women don’t adopt the strict tenets of 4B, those who are taking part for now hope the recent conversations around it lead women to think about themselves and their circumstances differently.
“I don’t ever expect everyone in America to hold hands and agree not to date men,” Abby K. says. “I could definitely see it fueling change in some way.”...
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It looks like a variation of MGTOW ("Men Going Their Own Way"), except that
plenty of women voted for Trump, too.
Which means that Trump supporters are going to breed.
I'm reminded of an ancient Greek play by Aristophanes, Lysistrata https://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/te ... 99.01.0242
Made into an entertaining film, Lisístrata, 2002.
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There's already a thread on this in Women's Discussion.
Personally, civil disobedience is the type of protest that would send the starkest message to the MAGAs. To quote the classic song by Lesley Gore: "You Don't Own Me".
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I wouldn’t date someone who voted for Trump or who was otherwise conservative, but that’s nothing new with me. As far as red flags go, it doesn’t get much bigger than voting for a sexual predator… The pervasive problem with sexual harassment I’ve seen, heard of, and experienced on online platforms recently is also concerning. I wouldn’t blame women at all if they decided this movement was something they wanted to be a part of.
I would have been ok with a Reagan-Bush-era conservative, or what they use to call "Rockefeller Republicans", but they're a dying breed. It's all MAGAs now.
I used to be a Republican, believe it or not. I started turning away when all that Tea Party crap started, and by the time Trump's 2016 campaign started, I was "aw hell no".
I still think there are a few sane Republicans here and there. One ran for president in 2020. His name was Bill Weld, one of the aforementioned Rockefeller Republicans. But people chose Trump.
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I couldn’t stand Reagan or either of the Bushes although they aren’t as bad as Trump. That’s not saying much. We’re talking the very bottom of the barrel here.
Anti-intellectualism has been a key component of the Republican Party for a long time, and I find it especially concerning because it impedes social progress.
Anti-intellectualism has been a key component of the Republican Party for a long time, and I find it especially concerning because it impedes social progress.
And it's not even Christianity they're trying to force on us, it's purity culture.
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Here is something tangentially related to the topic
https://www.yahoo.com/news/opinion-why- ... 09505.html
Opinion: Why did so many men vote for Trump? He reminded them they matter.
Are men really necessary?
Based on last week's election results and exit polling, the answer is a resounding yes.
America needs a Republican duo like Donald Trump and JD Vance to right its course...
...A lot of Americans voted to reelect former President Trump in this election, nearly 75 million ‒ including myself. But the demographic who voted the most for Trump is men, including Latino men, white men and men without a college degree.
For decades, extremists on the political and social left has told America's men loudly and often that they are stupid, predatory and unnecessary.
Painted by influential progressives in higher education, the entertainment industry and the news media as ignorant, loathsome and incompetent, America's men had their revenge on Election Day.
They voted for Trump in huge numbers....
...For years, the phrase "toxic masculinity" took over discussions about men. Any success by men was discounted as a privilege of the patriarchy. The #MeToo movement presumed men guilty until proven innocent.
Men were told not so subtly to be quiet and to fade away. They were more dangerous than a bear in the woods. And less necessary than a fish with a bicycle.
The Harris campaign doubled down on this narrative, focusing on young women to the point of pandering. She hung out on "The View" and "Call Her Daddy," and snubbed Rogan's invitation to speak to the millions of young men who listen to his podcast.
Trump and Vance sent a very different message: Men, you belong. Men, we appreciate you. Men who are masculine, kind, hardworking and family-oriented. You are necessary and you are vital. We will work together to fix what's broken so the people we love are safe and thrive....
I didn't feel that the Harris campaign was being misandrist at all. But, maybe a significant number of people of my gender did feel that way.
I didn't think that anyone was still talking about "toxic masculinity" or "patriarchy"--I had thought that those issues had been buried in the past.
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The harassment that women are still experiencing, especially the recent rise in it, demonstrates that those things are still serious issues that were never buried in the past. The statistics on sexual harassment and violence highlight that as well as the overturning of Roe v. Wade among other things.
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The harassment that women are still experiencing, especially the recent rise in it, demonstrates that those things are still serious issues that were never buried in the past. The statistics on sexual harassment and violence highlight that as well as the overturning of Roe v. Wade among other things.
Maybe so, but I did not perceive the Harris campaign "doubling down" on this narrative.
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They might’ve thought the facts would speak for themselves. It’s no secret that Trump is a serial sexual harasser and rapist. It’s not surprising that some people would be more open about their misogyny now that he’s been elected although, obviously, sexual harassment and worse isn’t anything new. In retrospect, I’m sure Harris could’ve done more from that angle although it was a balancing act with folks claiming already that too much of her focus was on women which brings us back to the problem with sexism in America…
Ye, woke culturalists lost quite few jobs by insisting on not working overtime, some of us have spent a while trying to start own business (not Korean - this is no brand name) so injection of ideas against private equity is multi-influenced.
Many people lack own ideas and heavily reliant on Asian influence, I'm not one of them.
I don't wear high heels, boots in winter must be flat.....must say I was amazed to see Asian fashion designer with same ideas, if you consider history of shaping Asian women's feet I can see why women's great mind think alike.
So after hearing a number of Japanese criticisms of JOAN of arc, decided to start something called anti-arc movement which was on basis that most of men died after 35 year war and many women left to defend for themselves which fell under French Revolution but wasn't about Egyptian abortions or csections it was another reason, which we saw happen in WW2 where women had access to jobs whilst men fought wars. I think it's this very narrow view of who shaped the world, back to Anna leanova was political woman figure who changed choice of husband, but inter-marriage shrouded the true nationality of certain arranged marriages, such as recognising that maid Marianne from Robin Hood wasn't British. German measels outbreak was due to hygiene, it happened long before French Revolution, some Austrians still say it was due to German pork diet.
We've being calling for Dutch ancestry visas for travel and tourism as spoke of in another thread, it's enabling women to decide to leave USA to travel to ensure Trump is taught lesson of song 'aint no sunshine when she's gone' it's like imagine Paris Hilton coming to South africa and others ......
It's understandable Russia is unhappy with Melania trump but she's a brick in wall victim of capitalism, it's not her, it's not fair on her to be cheese between two knives. Afrikaans originally held vendetta against new Netherlands colony, and all Queen Beatrix does is insist that girls didn't want to listen, we've supported South Africa on a number of issues, and most of child traffic videos shut down on garden route were horrific, and haven't being heard publically such as USA. Another bad example is Elon musk who aside from hating woke culture is a useless business man who reliant on trump for success and terrified ic world saw him have to come to RSA and really work for his fame, the hard way.
Originally I wanted it to be called the global village, it's program for stock market options outside capitalism, not sure why named BRICS. Growing unrest in old order of silent Hungarian government, people want to have more influence Nd move away from mygar life
We had worst cases of sexual abuse in black children, the Belgian organisation was support for underage traffic, it was laws defended Cambodia and mostly funded by women protecting woman but movies always pick Dolph Lundgren to act like the hero. China had many victims from Japanese wars who never compensated as job market pouring into China and Japan, their right buried by men. Men are always wanting all credit, all pay and hero status and it's time woman stood up to defend themselves, men are corrupt.
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If I hadn't been in a relationship for very long with my boyfriend who very much does not like any of this Trump s**t, I'd probably join it to. but idk me and my bf have been having sex for like 10 years so we're not going to stop but we know we can trust each other, like if I get accidently pregnant he will fully support and help me get an abortion if needed.
But nah if I was still single in my 20's I'd for sure be taking part in that, also though I would recommend the vibrator to these women, as no sex doesn't have to mean no sexy pleasure on your own. And well a vibrator won't get you pregnant.
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