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19 Dec 2024, 12:15 pm

Who is Baal - How a Storm Deity Fought Sea, Death, and Yahweh only to become a Demon



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19 Dec 2024, 12:42 pm

Baal features as Yahweh's buddy in my book:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0CPMM6HR5

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19 Dec 2024, 1:37 pm

In the video, he talks about Psalm 29 perhaps being taken from a Baal poem with YHWH being inserted. Here’s the passage:

1 Ascribe to the Lord, O heavenly beings,
ascribe to the Lord glory and strength.
2 Ascribe to the Lord the glory of his name;
worship the Lord in holy splendor.

3 The voice of the Lord is over the waters;
the God of glory thunders,
the Lord, over mighty waters.
4 The voice of the Lord is powerful;
the voice of the Lord is full of majesty.

5 The voice of the Lord breaks the cedars;
the Lord breaks the cedars of Lebanon.
6 He makes Lebanon skip like a calf
and Sirion like a young wild ox.

7 The voice of the Lord flashes forth flames of fire.
8 The voice of the Lord shakes the wilderness;
the Lord shakes the wilderness of Kadesh.

9 The voice of the Lord causes the oaks to whirl
and strips the forest bare,
and in his temple all say, “Glory!”

10 The Lord sits enthroned over the flood;
the Lord sits enthroned as king forever.
11 May the Lord give strength to his people!
May the Lord bless his people with peace!

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Cross opines that generations of scholars have firmly identified literary dependence on Canaanite mythology, particularly the Ba'al Cycle, and concludes on this basis that its present form is "no later than the 10th century BC."  Similarly, Freedman cites "considerable scholarly sentiment" supporting a pre-monarchic provenance, and suggests that Psalm 29 may be dated as early the 12th century BCE, making it among the oldest portions of literature in the Hebrew Bible.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psalm_29



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19 Dec 2024, 2:23 pm



"1 Ascribe to the 'TRumP,' O heavenly beings,
ascribe to the 'TRumP' glory and strength.

2 Ascribe to the 'TRumP' the glory of his name;
worship the 'TRumP' in holy splendor.

(And His Initials DJT)

3 The voice of the 'TRumP' is over the waters;
the 'TRumP' of glory thunders,
the TRumP,' over mighty waters.

4 The voice of the 'TRumP' is powerful;
the voice of the 'TRumP' is full of majesty.

(SWaying ACross the Oceans 'Gayly' to 'YMCA')

5 The voice of the 'TRumP' breaks the cedars;
the 'TRumP' breaks the cedars of Lebanon.

6 He makes Lebanon skip like a calf
and Sirion like a young wild ox.

(And 'Space Boy' Jump Up and Down With Wild Abandon)

7 The voice of the 'TRumP' flashes forth (Orange) flames of fire.

8 The voice of the 'TRumP' shakes the wilderness;
the 'TRumP' shakes the wilderness of Kadesh.

9 The voice of the 'TRumP' causes the oaks to whirl
and strips the forest bare,
and in his temple (of the Republican Party) all say, “Glory!”

(Hmm... on Bended Knees)

10 The 'TRumP' sits enthroned over the flood;
the 'TRumP' sits enthroned as king forever.

11 May the 'TRumP' give strength to his people!
May the 'TRumP' bless his people with (YUCK MORE BS)"

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19 Dec 2024, 3:08 pm

Hadad and YHWH come off as two versions of the same god.


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19 Dec 2024, 3:33 pm

funeralxempire wrote:
Hadad and YHWH come off as two versions of the same god.

I agree.

It’s interesting how so much of the Old Testament seems to serve as YHWH propaganda - why YHWH is supposedly better than Baal when they’re pretty damn similar.

I was thinking about 1 Kings 18:20-40 specifically which involves the silly showdown between Elijah and the 450 prophets of Baal.

So Ahab sent to all the Israelites and assembled the prophets at Mount Carmel. 21 Elijah then came near to all the people and said, “How long will you go limping with two different opinions? If the Lord is God, follow him, but if Baal, then follow him.” The people did not answer him a word. 22 Then Elijah said to the people, “I, even I only, am left a prophet of the Lord, but Baal’s prophets number four hundred fifty. 23 Let two bulls be given to us; let them choose one bull for themselves, cut it in pieces, and lay it on the wood but put no fire to it; I will prepare the other bull and lay it on the wood but put no fire to it. 24 Then you call on the name of your god, and I will call on the name of the Lord; the god who answers by fire is indeed God.” All the people answered, “Well spoken!” 25 Then Elijah said to the prophets of Baal, “Choose for yourselves one bull and prepare it first, for you are many; then call on the name of your god, but put no fire to it.” 26 So they took the bull that was given them, prepared it, and called on the name of Baal from morning until noon, crying, “O Baal, answer us!” But there was no voice and no answer. They limped about the altar that they had made. 27 At noon Elijah mocked them, saying, “Cry aloud! Surely he is a god; either he is meditating, or he has wandered away, or he is on a journey, or perhaps he is asleep and must be awakened.” 28 Then they cried aloud, and, as was their custom, they cut themselves with swords and lances until the blood gushed out over them. 29 As midday passed, they raved on until the time of the offering of the oblation, but there was no voice, no answer, and no response.

30 Then Elijah said to all the people, “Come closer to me,” and all the people came closer to him. First he repaired the altar of the Lord that had been thrown down; 31 Elijah took twelve stones, according to the number of the tribes of the sons of Jacob, to whom the word of the Lord came, saying, “Israel shall be your name”; 32 with the stones he built an altar in the name of the Lord. Then he made a trench around the altar, large enough to contain two measures of seed. 33 Next he put the wood in order, cut the bull in pieces, and laid it on the wood. He said, “Fill four jars with water and pour it on the burnt offering and on the wood.” 34 Then he said, “Do it a second time,” and they did it a second time. Again he said, “Do it a third time,” and they did it a third time, 35 so that the water ran all around the altar and filled the trench also with water.

36 At the time of the offering of the oblation, the prophet Elijah came near and said, “O Lord, God of Abraham, Isaac, and Israel, let it be known this day that you are God in Israel, that I am your servant, and that I have done all these things at your bidding. 37 Answer me, O Lord, answer me, so that this people may know that you, O Lord, are God and that you have turned their hearts back.” 38 Then the fire of the Lord fell and consumed the burnt offering, the wood, the stones, and the dust and even licked up the water that was in the trench. 39 When all the people saw it, they fell on their faces and said, “The Lord indeed is God; the Lord indeed is God.” 40 Elijah said to them, “Seize the prophets of Baal; do not let one of them escape.” Then they seized them, and Elijah brought them down to the Wadi Kishon and killed them there.

Then there’s this account in Jeremiah that, despite painting Baal worship in a bad light, seems to be more like a competition between Baal and YHWH to demonstrate who is worse.
Because the people have forsaken me and have profaned this place by making offerings in it to other gods whom neither they nor their ancestors nor the kings of Judah have known, and because they have filled this place with the blood of the innocent 5 and gone on building the high places of Baal to burn their children in the fire as burnt offerings to Baal, which I did not command or decree, nor did it enter my mind, 6 therefore the days are surely coming, says the Lord, when this place shall no more be called Topheth or the valley of the son of Hinnom but the valley of Slaughter. 7 And in this place I will make void the plans of Judah and Jerusalem and will make them fall by the sword before their enemies and by the hand of those who seek their life. I will give their dead bodies for food to the birds of the air and to the wild animals of the earth. 8 And I will make this city a horror, a thing to be hissed at; everyone who passes by it will be horrified and will hiss because of all its disasters. 9 And I will make them eat the flesh of their sons and the flesh of their daughters, and all shall eat the flesh of their neighbors in the siege and in the distress with which their enemies and those who seek their life afflict them.

The mythology on Baal outside of the Bible is very interesting to me.



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19 Dec 2024, 6:08 pm

This is the only "Baal" I would ever even acknowledge . . .
 


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