Jimmy Dore: Americans are the most Propagandized People

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27 Dec 2024, 9:05 am



No words needed. He's so right.



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27 Dec 2024, 10:59 am

The “most propagandized people?” It must be a very long video to broach such a complex topic unless it’s little more than clickbait. There’d need to be vast amounts of comparative research exploring the media in various countries.

Propaganda appears to be a much bigger issue in Russia.

https://rsf.org/en/country/russia

(Reporters Without Borders (RWB; French: Reporters sans frontières; RSF) is an international non-profit and non-governmental organization headquartered in Paris, which focuses on safeguarding the right to freedom of information.)

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Since Russia’s invasion of Ukraine in February 2022, almost all independent media have been banned, blocked and/or declared “foreign agents” or “undesirable organisations”. All others are subject to military censorship.

Media landscape

All privately owned independent TV channels are banned from the air, except for cable entertainment channels. Many western media such as Euronews, France 24 and the BBC are no longer accessible in the country, without an announcement of any legal, administrative or judicial decision. The media regulator, Roskomnadzor, has censored most independent news sites, and the most popular ones, such as Meduza and TV Rain, have been declared “undesirable organisations”, which means that mentioning them or quoting them can lead to criminal proceedings. The remaining media are owned by the state or by Kremlin allies. Their employees must follow orders issued by the president’s office regarding subjects to be avoided, and must censor themselves closely. Radio stations are in the same situation.

Political context

Ever since the Covid-19 pandemic, President Vladimir Putin has seemed increasingly isolated from the outside world and even more so since the start of his war against Ukraine. Only a very restricted circle now has access to him. The last collective decision-making institutions, such as the Security Council, no longer really function as such. Parliament has become a chamber for recording decisions made by the Kremlin or for trying to demonstrate loyalty by taking increasingly oppressive decisions. The official discourse, relayed by the ubiquitous propaganda machine, is mainly based on accounts of Russia’s “historical grievances” and conspiracy theories.

Legal framework

No journalists, even those in exile, are safe from the threat of serious charges based on vaguely worded draconian laws, often adopted in haste. Many laws relating to freedom of expression – including defamation and “fake news” laws – were amended in order to incorporate them into the Penal Code at the start of the Covid-19 pandemic. The invasion of Ukraine gave a new impetus to this process, with parliament hastily adopting amendments under which “false information” about the Russian armed forces and any other Russian state body operating abroad is now punishable by up to 15 years in prison. Charges of “extremism” and “condoning terrorism” are increasingly used.

Economic context

The radical sanctions that Western democracies imposed on Russia in response to the invasion of Ukraine suddenly severed much of the Russian economy from Europe’s, with which it was closely integrated, resulting in a great deal of uncertainty. Aside from censorship – which has forced many media outlets to close and has impoverished the few remaining independent journalists, forcing them to change professions or go abroad – the advertising market has experienced major fluctuations that have especially affected Russia’s regional media.

Sociocultural context

Although the Internet connection rate is very high, nearly two-thirds of Russians get their news mainly from television, which is controlled by the government, and from Russian social media, like VKontakte. Subjects such as homosexuality and religious feelings have gradually become off limits for the media under the presidency of Vladimir Putin, who has encouraged a certain conservatism in Russian society.

Safety

In recent years, in addition to heavy sentences, even torture, used mainly in the regions, the frequent use of fines and short-term detention under various pretexts have been added to the methods employed to intimidate journalists. The media are also under threat of arbitrary inclusion on the list of “foreign agents”, a status that comes with heavy bureaucratic hurdles and legal risks, and the list of “undesirable organisations”, which criminalises any mention of – or cooperation with – the targeted media. Faced with additional risks incurred since the start of the war in Ukraine, many journalists working for independent media outlets have chosen exile. The authorities maintain pressure by “visiting” family members or by convicting them in absentia.
Freedom of the press in Russia in 2024, according to Reporters Without Borders’ World Press Freedom Index, was rated 162/180; the US was ranked 55/180.

The lowest ranked countries respectively were North Korea, Afghanistan, Syria, and Eritrea.



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27 Dec 2024, 11:13 am

Who is Jimmy Dore and why should I care more about his opinion than my own?


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27 Dec 2024, 11:16 am

“James Patrick Anthony Dore (born July 26, 1965) is an American stand-up comedian, political commentator, conspiracy theorist, podcaster and YouTube personality.”

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Dore

Sounds legit. :lol:



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27 Dec 2024, 11:24 am

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27 Dec 2024, 11:35 am

He was on The Young Turks for a time. Dore seems to be all over the place in terms of his views.


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27 Dec 2024, 11:36 am

"The most propagandised people?" Nope. No way. There are literal one party states with total state control of the media out there. Are Americans seeing an unacceptably high amount of propaganda? Probably. We certainly do here in Britain, where the vast majority of the newspapers exist to push the world-view of their wealthy right-wing owners.


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27 Dec 2024, 11:48 am

I do agree that Americans are fed a lot of propaganda, and I find many of my fellow countryman are super gullible. Worst of all, the whole " That's what I think" or " That's how I just feel".

Americans are more propagandized to be sure but more than North Korean's or Chinese? I'm sure I'm leaving one or 2 out but Dore seems to have a bit of a Alex Jones vibe going.


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27 Dec 2024, 12:18 pm

For the OP, I cited Reporters Without Borders in my first post in this thread because they have been extremely outspoken about Israel targeting the media in Palestine over the years. I’ve cited their work in other threads on that specifically. This is just a very small selection of the many articles they’ve written on the topic from older to recent, not that Hamas has made unbiased journalism much of a possibility to be fair.

https://rsf.org/en/reporters-without-bo ... ournalists

https://rsf.org/en/journalists-lives-line-gaza-conflict

https://rsf.org/en/analyse_regionale/537

https://rsf.org/en/one-year-gaza-how-is ... region-war

https://rsf.org/en/rsf-s-2024-round-jou ... ve-regimes

Claims that criticism of Russian media here is part of some sort of “Zionist propaganda” conspiracy is inapplicable.

As I stated previously, the US is ranked 55/180. Yes, bias IS a big problem, but the US is NOT the most propagandized country by any stretch of the imagination. Access to the internet is helpful. I often strive to look at a variety of sources, including some from other countries, when I want to have an informed opinion on a topic. The presence of valid research and evidence is the most important thing and knowing how to evaluate it appropriately. It seems like we have a lot of information at our fingertips but many people do not know how to analyze it critically. IMO, that’s an even bigger problem than biased media in our country.



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27 Dec 2024, 1:37 pm

Prior to the mid-1980s, we had the Fairness Doctrine, where commentary from both sides was required (remember "Point/Counterpoint" on SNL w/ Dan Aykroyd and Jane Curtain?).

Since the FD was done away with, we've become a circus of pundits, be it Rush Limbaugh on the right, or Jon Stewart on the left.


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27 Dec 2024, 3:18 pm

What do they mean by propagandized, exactly? When I think of propaganda I think of those old WWII posters that are basically "people of country evil and want to kill us, so let's kill them first". They use a lot of manipulation, fear and paranoia fuel to bully people into doing what they want.

The USA, especially the red states that take up most of the country, is well known for being highly manipulative, bullying, and using fear and paranoia to get other countries, such as Canada, to do what they want. I'm not sure I think that's what it means for Americans to be propagandized.



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27 Dec 2024, 3:25 pm

King Kat 1 wrote:
He was on The Young Turks for a time. Dore seems to be all over the place in terms of his views.


I used to like him pre-pandemic, but last time I watched any of his videos he was going hard anti-vax and conspiracy theory mongering. He was right about the lab leak, but much of it is just general garbage at this point.



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27 Dec 2024, 3:27 pm

PhosphorusDecree wrote:
"The most propagandised people?" Nope. No way. There are literal one party states with total state control of the media out there. Are Americans seeing an unacceptably high amount of propaganda? Probably. We certainly do here in Britain, where the vast majority of the newspapers exist to push the world-view of their wealthy right-wing owners.


We probably are, but only if you include TV and Movies in the calculation. A major source of US power abroad is soft power that comes from the media and arts.



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27 Dec 2024, 3:30 pm

Ironic, considering Jimmy Dore is a grifter and conspiracy theory peddling propagandist.


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27 Dec 2024, 3:54 pm

Had my post deleted. I will not bother posting anymore on this trash website.



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27 Dec 2024, 4:54 pm

funeralxempire wrote:
Ironic, considering Jimmy Dore is a grifter and conspiracy theory peddling propagandist.

Which is kind of a shame, early on he wasn't so bad. He got noticeably worse when the lab leak conspiracy theory turned out to be true.