Scotland tops list of world's most violent countries

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http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0, ... 45,00.html

And this is so even though guns are banned.

It's definately the bagpipes and haggis.

i stayed in inverness for two weeks and it was really peaceful. changing trains in edinburgh was a bit scary though (some chavs were standing on a bridge and throwing bricks and glass down at commuters).

Murder rates are much higher in America. Anyway, dont i recall you arguing against knives being banned from being carried when knives are the biggest problem?

Banning guns is a large part of the problem. The UK as a whole had the lowest crime rate in it's history between the 1700's and 1903, when you could carry a concealed pistol without a special permit or license of any kind.


The problem is the crackheads, not the weapons. A strictly enforced ban on crackheads though an extremely liberal application of capital punishent (far more so than even Texas uses) would probably clear that right up.

In all logic, if guns were banned, there would be a huge black market for guns because then they would be illegal. There is something about human nature that wants to rebel and do the opposite of what they have just been told. On the other side, why not just make guns legal? Then anyone could own a gun and most people probably wouldn't be as tempted to actually use it.

It sounds like you're selling acne medication.

With his choice of words, it does sort of sound like he's trying to sell acne medicine.

So basically Scottish chavs are zits on the human race?

A perfect example: Los Angeles. It's easier for criminals to get guns, both legal and banned types, than it is for a law abiding citizen to get one legally. Even then, law abiding citizens are limited in how they can use it for self defense.

I think the best solution would be to repeal the Federal Firearms act of 1986, the Gun Control Act of 1963, and the Arms Control Act of 1934. Let people own any type of gun they want, let people cary a concealed pistol without regulation, and let the convicted felons have guns too. That way when they do commit a crime with them, everybody else can shoot them. Yeah, there would be a short lived spike in violent crime, and then it would all but disappear.

I suppose that's true. I feel almost completely defenceless. Many criminals carry guns over here, and even if they don't there are plenty prepared to stick a knife in you. The State has failed in it's duty to protect law abiding members of society. Whilst it f***s about addressing the concerns of the latest boat-load of immigrants, the rest of us are just ignored.

It's the left-wing politicians who got us in this sorry state who need the capital punishment.

It's all that scottish soccer hooliganism I think. Banning soccer (aka football) in all the isles should do the trick.

Banning Scottish football is a simplistic solution to a complicated problem and would not solve anything. The violence at the games is less here than most places due to the fact that alcohol is no longer openly permitted at games in Scotland after the Old Firm riot of 1980. There is a problem in Glasgow due to bigotry between the indigenous, mostly protestant host community that in Glasgow generally supports Rangers and the Irish immigrants community and their descendants that mostly support Celtic.

However poverty and the fact that Parts of Scotland, particularly Glasgow are some of the poorest areas in western Europe is a big part of the problem. Maybe hostory as well and the fact that it is a small land that have had to defend themselves most violently against they're much larger neighbour has played a part. There are parts of America and elsewhere in the world that make here look like Disneyland though.

Those parts of America that you are reffering to tend to have much stricter gun control laws than the rest of the country.

The usual right-wing bigots with their little guns . So short sighted. You really think the answer to violence is more violence?

Didnt they give these places stricter gun controls becuase of the amount of gun deaths and violence in the first place?